Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons

[aygart]

There is a difference between lighting inside by the windows, and outside. Virtually noone in chul lights outside.

There are many reasons why we don't light outside in America. Most poskim explain that we are still in somewhat shaas hasakana, so the takana to light only inside is still in affect. ie. There is freedom of religion, but no need to rub their faces in it.  Or because it rises their ire, or because it can cause a fire which can raise their ire, or because it could attract thieves. Etc etc.

My question is about the stira in chabbads minhag?

R Yaakov said regarding Elyon Rd in Monsey which, at least at the time, only Jews were ever there and even the mailman did not come onto the block and none of them had cleaning ladies etc. That they should light inside even though there is no sakana since it has a din of a gezaeira to light inside in chu"l

[churnbabychurn]

R Yaakov said regarding Elyon Rd in Monsey which, at least at the time, only Jews were ever there and even the mailman did not come onto the block and none of them had cleaning ladies etc. That they should light inside even though there is no sakana since it has a din of a gezaeira to light inside in chu"l

And R' Sholom says about Westgate, that those that say there is no sakanah, simply don't know our matzav...

[thaber]

I don't have time to link properly but if you have access to Lekutey Sichos look up Chelek 5 page 456.

There is a difference between lighting inside by the windows, and outside. Virtually noone in chul lights outside.

There are many reasons why we don't light outside in America. Most poskim explain that we are still in somewhat shaas hasakana, so the takana to light only inside is still in affect. ie. There is freedom of religion, but no need to rub their faces in it.  Or because it rises their ire, or because it can cause a fire which can raise their ire, or because it could attract thieves. Etc etc.

My question is about the stira in chabbads minhag?

Page 307 here before going further

[aygart]

And R' Shmuel says about Westgate, that those that say there is no sakanah, simply don't know our matzav...

FTFY to bring geula leolom. That is besides that he holds that even without sakana they should light inside iirc

[churnbabychurn]

Page 307 here before going further

I read a couple of pages but didn't really get any answers.
I think he said something about a menora with a wall? Or the wind?

[eliraps]

I just found and read this entire thread thoroughly!!!
When I get to a computer I have some interesting things to add. Especially about eating before payer, sleeping in sukka eating in the rain, and eating in sukka on SA.

Strange how making a bracha on public menorah has not come up here - although not an official chabad custom - I hope to post something on that later.

Btw, from the amount of quotes that don't appear in the thread, it would appear that a very lot of posts from this thread have been deleted, even from not such controversial subjects. Why is that?
On a lighter note:
A chasid asks his rebbe, given his circumstances he can only come to the rebbe once over Chanukah. Should he come for lighting one night or for burning the left overs on the last day.
The rebbe thinks for a minute and says, come for the lighting because the hachana to a mitzvah is more important than the mitzvah 

[Achas Veachas]

I read a couple of pages but didn't really get any answers.
I think he said something about a menora with a wall? Or the wind?

The Lekutey Sichos I posted earlier has it written up clearer and more concisely, I see that HebrewBooks is missing that page but I found it here as well.

[churnbabychurn]

The Lekutey Sichos I posted earlier has it written up clearer and more concisely, I see that HebrewBooks is missing that page but I found it here as well.

Yes a. Windows are lemala miesrim. B. Menoras have walls.

Both don't answer my question why you not outside especially since you light outside in public squares. ( so virtually all the answers others use don't apply)
 

[dovy2]

Yes a. Windows are lemala miesrim. B. Menoras have walls.

Both don't answer my question why you not outside especially since you light outside in public squares. ( so virtually all the answers others use don't apply)

We do both to chap pirsumei nisa for eveyone!

[Achas Veachas]

Yes a. Windows are lemala miesrim. B. Menoras have walls.

Both don't answer my question why you not outside especially since you light outside in public squares. ( so virtually all the answers others use don't apply)
 

You're right, most of the answers explain why we do it by the door vs. a window. The first answer does cover that (הואיל ונפק מפומי' דרב כהנא, That's how the Rabeim did it). As to why the Rebeim did it that way, I didn't see anything in Chabad sources but some of the sources brought by the Nitey Gavriel page 93 bring reasons that don't have anything to do with being scared of the neighbors.

[MeirS]

I just found and read this entire thread thoroughly!!!
Btw, from the amount of quotes that don't appear in the thread, it would appear that a very lot of posts from this thread have been deleted, even from not such controversial subjects. Why is that?

Perhaps many customs were mentioned in other threads and the discussions were continued here.

[eliraps]

Lighting menorah indoors is indeed strange, although by no means limited to chabad.

Is is extra strange for us to be lighting indoors, a) because we do light public menorahs as Churn says. and b) because virtually every maamar on chanukah speaks about the idea of lighting menorah davka in reshus harabim.

בכגון דא קל לי יותר לכתוב בלה"ק ואתכם הסליחה
 בכמה ראשונים כתבו שמאז הסכנה נהגו להדליק בפנים גם שלא בשעת הסכנה
ראה ספר העיטור, עשרת הדיברות, הלכות חנוכה: "ואחר שנהגו על הסכנה נהגו (ומי שיכול להניחה מבחוץ מניחה)" עיי"ש
אור זרוע ח"ב הל' חנוכה סשכ"ג
ועוד כו"כ ואטו כרוכלא...
ועיין בריטב"א "שכשנושב רוח שא"א להדליקה בחוץ מדליקה בפנים בביתו", הרי שלא סוף הדבר תלוי בסכנה וחשבונות אקלימיים גם תופסים מקום

This is all in addition to the kivan denafik quoted by Achas.

Once we're not lighting outside as is the original takana, the question is, is it better to light by window or by an indoor doorway and have the ma'ale of being surrounded by mitzvos - a question which the gedole hachronim already discuss.

[eliraps]

Perhaps many customs were mentioned in other threads and the discussions were continued here.

Aha.

"When G-D makes it rain on shmini atzeres, it's because he wants to spend quality time in the sukkah with the Lubavitchers"

FTFY
The oilemisher leave because it is raining and the chasidim (many of whom also eat in the sukah in the rain, though not as fanatically as chabad) leave because it's shmini atzeres...

והוא תלמוד ערוך בסוכה נה,ב
אמר רבי אלעזר הני שבעים פרים כנגד מי כנגד שבעים אומות. פר יחידי למה כנגד אומה יחידה. משל למלך בשר ודם שאמר לעבדיו: עשו לי סעודה גדולה. ליום אחרון אמר לאוהבו: עשה לי סעודה קטנה, כדי שאהנה ממך
 

[churnbabychurn]

Lighting menorah indoors is indeed strange, although by no means limited to chabad.

Is is extra strange for us to be lighting indoors, a) because we do light public menorahs as Churn says. and b) because virtually every maamar on chanukah speaks about the idea of lighting menorah davka in reshus harabim.

בכגון דא קל לי יותר לכתוב בלה"ק ואתכם הסליחה
 בכמה ראשונים כתבו שמאז הסכנה נהגו להדליק בפנים גם שלא בשעת הסכנה
ראה ספר העיטור, עשרת הדיברות, הלכות חנוכה: "ואחר שנהגו על הסכנה נהגו (ומי שיכול להניחה מבחוץ מניחה)" עיי"ש
אור זרוע ח"ב הל' חנוכה סשכ"ג
ועוד כו"כ ואטו כרוכלא...
ועיין בריטב"א "שכשנושב רוח שא"א להדליקה בחוץ מדליקה בפנים בביתו", הרי שלא סוף הדבר תלוי בסכנה וחשבונות אקלימיים גם תופסים מקום

This is all in addition to the kivan denafik quoted by Achas.

Once we're not lighting outside as is the original takana, the question is, is it better to light by window or by an indoor doorway and have the ma'ale of being surrounded by mitzvos - a question which the gedole hachronim already discuss.

Wake me up when someone actually addresses my question re the stira

[Achas Veachas]

Wake me up when someone actually addresses my question re the stira

It's been addressed. These days we light indoors regardless of Sakanah.
As a seperate Inyan Chabad lights in public places to promote awareness of Chanukah/Yiddishkeit.

[Achas Veachas]

What is the reason Chabad says להדליק נר חנוכה instead of של חנוכה?

[a mirrer]

What is the reason Chabad says להדליק נר חנוכה instead of של חנוכה?

see the comments here that al pi ari the brocha should have 13 words also the Beis Yosef writes it without shel

[username]

On a lighter note:
A chasid asks his rebbe, given his circumstances he can only come to the rebbe once over Chanukah. Should he come for lighting one night or for burning the left overs on the last day.
The rebbe thinks for a minute and says, come for the lighting because the hachana to a mitzvah is more important than the mitzvah 

Pun intended?

[chaimmayer]

Is the menorah in Washington, D.C. Higher than 20 Amos?

[Shauly101]

What is the reason Chabad says להדליק נר חנוכה instead of של חנוכה?

alot others also say so