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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #880 on: August 08, 2017, 05:35:50 PM »
Why? There are definitely Calabria trees planted in EY.
Because Moshe Rabbeinu got his from Calabria, not EY.
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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #881 on: August 08, 2017, 05:38:09 PM »
Because Moshe Rabbeinu got his from Calabria, not EY.
Yeah, but maybe he just wanted the specific breed that originates there. Not that it has to grow in that specific geographic area.

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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #882 on: August 08, 2017, 05:38:50 PM »
Yeah, but maybe he just wanted the specific breed that originates there. Not that it has to grow in that specific geographic area.
Perhaps, but being as he's been hard to reach these days, we'll just play it safe and do exactly what he did.
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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #883 on: August 08, 2017, 05:40:21 PM »
And here we are :)

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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #885 on: August 08, 2017, 05:49:53 PM »
Yeah, but maybe he just wanted the specific breed that originates there. Not that it has to grow in that specific geographic area.
http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=30479&st=&pgnum=73



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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #886 on: August 08, 2017, 06:03:20 PM »
http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=30479&st=&pgnum=73



Once we get into מטעם הידוע לו, we can't play around with that.
Meh.. I'm sure a courageous and industrious chabadsker can sell it that the tree is what matters..

chasam sofer for sure was just talking about the breed. Like the chicken. You don't have to eat it at the place of the mesorah, as long as it originates..

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #887 on: August 08, 2017, 06:04:00 PM »
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How do we know that Calabria is there?

The problem is that it did not exist until Menashe brought a tzelem into the heichal or when Yeravam set up the eglei zahav. (Old question, I know)



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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #888 on: August 08, 2017, 06:04:49 PM »
How do we know that Calabria is there?

The problem is that it did not exist until Menashe brought a tzelem into the heichal or when Yeravam set up the eglei zahav. (Old question, I know)




It's all up thread I believe...

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #889 on: August 08, 2017, 06:05:02 PM »
Meh.. I'm sure a courageous and industrious chabadsker can sell it that the tree is what matters..

chasam sofer for sure was just talking about the breed. Like the chicken. You don't have to eat it at the place of the mesorah, as long as it originates..
You missed his last line
Once we get into מטעם הידוע לו, we can't play around with that.
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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #890 on: August 08, 2017, 06:06:26 PM »
It's all up thread I believe...
I'm sure.
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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #891 on: August 08, 2017, 06:07:47 PM »
How do we know that Calabria is there?

The problem is that it did not exist until Menashe brought a tzelem into the heichal or when Yeravam set up the eglei zahav. (Old question, I know)




As long as you're OK with the הושיבו שלוחים על ענן part (did they get seat 4A  ;) ), I'm sure we can find the answer to your question (Ya'akov avinu must have known about that place already - he put in in Esav's brocho).  :D
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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #892 on: August 08, 2017, 06:14:43 PM »
You missed his last line
Course you can.. It's been done

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #893 on: August 08, 2017, 06:30:05 PM »
As long as you're OK with the הושיבו שלוחים על ענן part (did they get seat 4A  ;) ), I'm sure we can find the answer to your question (Ya'akov avinu must have known about that place already - he put in in Esav's brocho).  :D
Those things we can just roll or eyes about.

They would definitely be in F

That he knew about it only means that he knew binevius that it will in the future.
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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #894 on: August 08, 2017, 06:31:14 PM »
Course you can.. It's been done
But the opinion of those saying otherwise makes some sense.
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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #895 on: August 08, 2017, 06:56:43 PM »
Main hiddur of calabria is probablly the mesora, so an authentic EY one qualifies (those that only make a bracha on calabria, would probably on those). the rebbe sometimes used EY calabria ones.
however the mesora is far from the only reason. some, such as משמני הארץ as well as טעם הידוע לו, are not transplantable to EY. As such, chassidim are makpid to source specifically from there.

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #896 on: August 08, 2017, 07:01:02 PM »
Main hiddur of calabria is probablly the mesora, so an authentic EY one qualifies (those that only make a bracha on calabria, would probably on those). the rebbe sometimes used EY calabria ones.
however the mesora is far from the only reason. some, such as משמני הארץ as well as טעם הידוע לו, are not transplantable to EY. As such, chassidim are makpid to source specifically from there.
That's pretty much how the rebbe sums it up in some of the letters

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #897 on: August 08, 2017, 07:49:10 PM »
They would definitely be in F
Booking code C (for cloud) or A (for Anan)?  :)
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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #898 on: August 08, 2017, 08:13:26 PM »
Main hiddur of calabria is probablly the mesora, so an authentic EY one qualifies (those that only make a bracha on calabria, would probably on those). the rebbe sometimes used EY calabria ones.
however the mesora is far from the only reason. some, such as משמני הארץ as well as טעם הידוע לו, are not transplantable to EY. As such, chassidim are makpid to source specifically from there.
But in a year such as this the Rebbe would have used a CA or EY yanover with a bracha, correct?

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #899 on: August 08, 2017, 09:22:17 PM »
But in a year such as this the Rebbe would have used a CA or EY yanover with a bracha, correct?
I doubt it. Though I don't have information on what transpired every year since 1940.
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