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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1120 on: September 17, 2018, 02:29:46 PM »
OK. Why don't you clearly articulate to us
Where exactly is tehillim said, and how many/which kapitlach?

well we already know where:
we switched out shema and shemona esrei for Tehillim.

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1121 on: September 17, 2018, 02:31:41 PM »
Very articulate aurgument. ::)
Can you point to other recent additions or changes to the nussach hatfilla ? Hallel on Yom hatzmaut? What else?
Those are not more recent?

How is their saying tehilim after any different than when they do that in BMG?
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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1122 on: September 17, 2018, 02:34:12 PM »
How is their saying tehilim after any different than when they do that in BMG?

There's your answer, right in front of your eyes. One is in Bold and Underlined, while the other is in Bold and Italics. It all depends on who says/does it.
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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1123 on: September 17, 2018, 02:36:24 PM »
Where exactly is tehillim said, and how many/which kapitlach?




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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1124 on: September 17, 2018, 02:42:35 PM »


Can you just give a straight answer?
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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1125 on: September 17, 2018, 02:43:00 PM »
Changing the nussach hatefila is a big deal. Not comparable to those things at all. But still a big deal.
Who changed nussach hatefila?

Fwiu often shiur starts right after davening, whether it's a short halacha, mishayis, or a sif chofetz chaim, isn't that terrible as well? To change davening like that?

This reminds me of the gadol that said at least they are adding rosh hashanas not taking away.
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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1126 on: September 17, 2018, 02:43:16 PM »
Where exactly is tehillim said, and how many/which kapitlach?
Approx 5 kapitelach after davening in order to recite the entire sefer over the course of each month.

Additionally, the entire sefer tehilim is said prior to davening on shabbos mevorchim.
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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1127 on: September 17, 2018, 02:57:07 PM »
Most recent occurrence I experienced was next to the Ohel on Erev RH. There was a captive audience there that was going to say Hatoras Nedorim, why not take the time to say the full shiur (including 3 extra Kaptilech) tehillim before starting the Hatoras Nedorim?
interesting anecdote: several years ago at a pesach hotel I noticed people running out of davening early. I wondered where they were running since breakfast was always fully stocked fir several hours. I mentioned this out loud to someone and he shared an interesting observation. He said he had been in prison for a period of time and noticed that there were people who left davening early. He couldn't fathom where they were running. After mentioning it to someone in prison he said it's basically based on habots developed when you had excuses for leaving early....

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1128 on: September 17, 2018, 03:04:14 PM »
Approx 5 kapitelach after davening.
Why in the world would anyone consider that a big deal?
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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1129 on: September 17, 2018, 03:04:58 PM »
Why in the world would anyone consider that a big deal?
Sinas chinam?
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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1130 on: September 17, 2018, 03:06:42 PM »
Approx 5 kapitelach after davening.
Except on כה and כו of every month where it's half a Kapital.  ;)

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1131 on: September 17, 2018, 03:07:53 PM »
Except on כה and כו of every month where it's half a Kapital.  ;)

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1132 on: September 17, 2018, 03:12:57 PM »
Sinas chinam?

I think @aygart was asking about those rushing to leave the minyan without completing the shiur tehillim, rather than cbc's comments.

Though it should be noted that from ראש חודש אלול until YK we say extra, but that minhag is much older:

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1133 on: September 17, 2018, 03:13:22 PM »
Except on כה and כו of every month where it's half a Kapital.  ;)
and on כז where it's 15...

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1134 on: September 17, 2018, 03:16:31 PM »
I think @aygart was asking about those rushing to leave the minyan without completing the shiur tehillim, rather than cbc's comments.

Though it should be noted that from ראש חודש אלול until YK we say extra, but that minhag is much older:



You thought I was condoning people leaving early from davening?  :o
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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1135 on: September 17, 2018, 03:43:11 PM »
You thought I was condoning people leaving early from davening?  :o
C"V, that thought never crossed my mind. I thought you might have been questioning why people make a big deal out of saying some tehillim, that they would rush to leave rather than say it with the tzibbur, that has an extra benefit.
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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1136 on: September 17, 2018, 03:45:27 PM »
and on כז where it's 15...

Reminds me of the old saying that when you have one hand in ice-cold water, and the other in boiling hot water, on average you are might be quite comfortable.
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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1137 on: September 17, 2018, 03:58:49 PM »
Why in the world would anyone consider that a big deal?

Truly baffling.

Next week in difficult questions we will try figure out the solution to 2 + 2.   

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1138 on: September 17, 2018, 04:03:56 PM »
Next week in difficult questions we will try figure out the solution to 2 + 2.

How dare you infer that 2 + 2 is a difficult question. Anyone who went to Oholei Torah can give you the answer to that. As a matter of fact, even people who didn't attend Oholei Torah but are familiar with the song know the answer!
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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1139 on: September 17, 2018, 05:03:03 PM »
Can you point to other recent additions or changes to the nussach hatfilla ? Hallel on Yom hatzmaut? What else?

When did singing Adon Olam after davening on shabbos start?