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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1240 on: September 23, 2018, 01:04:46 PM »
From CBC to explain  this mishna berura




Again with the hate?

The question is directed at you.

Without doing extensive research into your post history, from the recent discussion, you seem to make whimsical claims, assertions, and accusations, sometimes calling them "well established" without bringing any source or backup to your statements (and you do this while using disrespectful language and attitude towards gedolei yisorel and tzaddikim).

Your writing sure smells like:
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שנאת-חינם היא, שאחד שונא את חברו סתם כך, על לא-דבר. לפעמים הוא ממציא טענה כלשהי, מדוע הוא שונאו, אבל אין זו אלא תואנה ועלילה להצדיק את שנאתו.

So, hopefully you don't really harbor any שנאה, but this might give you some perspective as to why it looks like you do.

Maybe if you start using respectful language and back up your claims with real sources, people might see things differently.
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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1241 on: September 23, 2018, 01:47:38 PM »
You looking for his source?
I'm looking for YOUR source in saying that chabad and the mishna berura are wrong for saying tehilim  afterror davening

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1242 on: September 23, 2018, 01:49:34 PM »
6-36 haddassim - chabad.
Pro or con?
@churnbabychurn - can you find a poisek who says it's Baal toisif?
Lol, it doesn't work like that. If chabad does it - it's wrong. They need to find a poisek to back them and then we'll just say something about it being a goyishe minhag, bashing the poisek

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1243 on: September 23, 2018, 01:50:50 PM »
I'm looking for YOUR source in saying that chabad and the mishna berura are wrong for saying tehilim  afterror davening
I don't accept your equation of Chabad and the MB

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1244 on: September 23, 2018, 01:52:00 PM »
I'm actually quite disturbed by the hate being sent back as well.
I'm starting to think the Politics thread is good for me.
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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1245 on: September 23, 2018, 01:55:02 PM »
I'm actually quite disturbed by the hate being sent back as well.
I'm starting to think the Politics thread is good for me.
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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1246 on: September 23, 2018, 02:03:09 PM »
I'm actually quite disturbed by the hate being sent back as well.
I'm starting to think the Politics thread is good for me.
+1

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1247 on: September 23, 2018, 02:29:01 PM »
I don't accept your equation of Chabad and the MB
They both doing the same tehilim Kefira

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1248 on: September 23, 2018, 02:44:59 PM »
So to summarize:
A big part of klal yisroel says tehilim after davening  as quoted above with many sources. However, each "sect" is different :
Chabad = Kefira
Belz, bobov and satmar = influenced by chabad
BMG = exception
Rav chaim kanievski = ?
Mishna berura (with a kadish!!) = ?

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1249 on: September 23, 2018, 03:30:34 PM »
So to summarize:
A big part of klal yisroel says tehilim after davening  as quoted above with many sources. However, each "sect" is different :
Chabad = Kefira
Belz, bobov and satmar = influenced by chabad
BMG = exception
Rav chaim kanievski = ?
Mishna berura (with a kadish!!) = ?
If you can't see the difference between them you are blind. I don't really care, but for honesties sake, try to read up more on the language used when the chabbad takanah was instituted and see if you can spot the differences.  Those differences are the Crux of the issue at hand.

If you can't find thme then fine, I don't see why you are so sensitive to any criticism anyway? It's truly irrational. But don't be disingenuous...

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1250 on: September 23, 2018, 03:43:08 PM »
If you can't see the difference between them you are blind. I don't really care, but for honesties sake, try to read up more on the language used when the chabbad takanah was instituted and see if you can spot the differences.  Those differences are the Crux of the issue at hand.

If you can't find thme then fine, I don't see why you are so sensitive to any criticism anyway? It's truly irrational. But don't be disingenuous...

I would assume that many, if not most, people that consider themselves Lubavitchers בפועל, are quite familiar with the letters printed in the קובץ מכתבים which is at the back of every tehillim אהל יוסף יצחק. However, I doubt whether any of them actually went with a fine tooth comb to analyze the language and build an entire pilpul based on it.

You, however, seem to no yet consider yourself a Lubavitcher בפועל, only בכח, and based on your posts you seem to have gone into the depths of the language used and the differences between various people saying tehillim betzibbur after davening. So for the benefit of everyone, why don't you clearly write out your pilpul, so we can all understand it, and either agree or שלאג אפ. But unless your pilpul contains actual quotes, don't bother posting, as it will be viewed as less than בויך סברות.
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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1251 on: September 23, 2018, 04:15:52 PM »
I would assume that many, if not most, people that consider themselves Lubavitchers בפועל, are quite familiar with the letters printed in the קובץ מכתבים which is at the back of every tehillim אהל יוסף יצחק. However, I doubt whether any of them actually went with a fine tooth comb to analyze the language and build an entire pilpul based on it.

You, however, seem to no yet consider yourself a Lubavitcher בפועל, only בכח, and based on your posts you seem to have gone into the depths of the language used and the differences between various people saying tehillim betzibbur after davening. So for the benefit of everyone, why don't you clearly write out your pilpul, so we can all understand it, and either agree or שלאג אפ. But unless your pilpul contains actual quotes, don't bother posting, as it will be viewed as less than בויך סברות.
See up thread, jj posted all you need for this, I even went and highlighted the relevant portions. It's about time everyone stops trying to mach Nish visindig.

Enjoy your rainy undecorated succas!

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1252 on: September 23, 2018, 04:20:14 PM »


Enjoy your rainy undecorated succas!

This is great!

I think anyone who eats in an undecorated Sukah in the rain is proud of doing so and wouldn't be offended by such a wish.

On that note,

Enjoy sleeping in your Sukah with the rain cover closed!

Hey, if that's what your Rabbi's say is the right thing, then that's definitely what you should be doing and enjoying, even if I can't make sense of it...

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1253 on: September 23, 2018, 04:22:19 PM »
Why can't we have the thread closed for a little?
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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1254 on: September 23, 2018, 04:56:55 PM »
Why can't we have the thread closed for a little?
We're actually gonna close for 48 hours

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1255 on: September 23, 2018, 05:24:20 PM »



Enjoy your rainy undecorated succas!

Thank you! א פרייליכן סוכות to you too!

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1256 on: September 23, 2018, 05:33:08 PM »

Thank you! א פרייליכן סוכות to you too!

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1257 on: September 23, 2018, 05:33:31 PM »
Why can't we have the thread closed for a little?
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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1258 on: September 23, 2018, 06:25:07 PM »

This is great!

I think anyone who eats in an undecorated Sukah in the rain is proud of doing so and wouldn't be offended by such a wish.

On that note,

Enjoy sleeping in your Sukah with the rain cover closed!

Hey, if that's what your Rabbi's say is the right thing, then that's definitely what you should be doing and enjoying, even if I can't make sense of it...
That is a MGA
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1259 on: September 23, 2018, 06:40:36 PM »
We're actually gonna close for 48 hours
In 3...2...1...
Damn, you NOT following EDT...
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