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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1280 on: September 26, 2018, 01:34:40 PM »
I heard that in Russia chassidim would sleep in the rainy cold sukka before they heard/knew that the rebbe said that chabad don't sleep in the sukka.

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1281 on: September 26, 2018, 01:37:03 PM »


nice summary. love for hashem rather than fear. It's how we connect. Like family -- Very positive; great message for teens, too.

There is something called Aimah and yirah as well.

It's actually when the aibershter wants to have some private quality time with his favorite kids/soldiers, he pours some rain so that they are the only ones still happy to stay in the Sukkah.
I'm told that rain is a siman klalah, so I don't see it like that. (More like not getting the hint)
As well as the fact that it's nikrah hedyot to sit in the sukka when you aren't chayv/when it isn't a sukka. If there is no mitzvah how are you showing chavivos by doing it. To me it's like shaking a lulav all year (aside from Baal tosif)
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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1282 on: September 26, 2018, 01:58:02 PM »
As well as the fact that it's nikrah hedyot to sit in the sukka when you aren't chayv/when it isn't a sukka. If there is no mitzvah how are you showing chavivos by doing it.
Been discussed up thread on a yearly basis,  ayin shom ba'arucha.
Also in numerous poskim and shuti"m.

To me it's like shaking a lulav all year (aside from Baal tosif)
There's an established criticism against chabad for not caring about Baal tosif

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1283 on: September 26, 2018, 02:02:17 PM »


Also in numerous poskim and shuti"m.
There's an established criticism against chabad for not caring about Baal tosif

I excluded baal tosif, AKA granted there is no issur,  but that doesn't make it worth anything if there is no concept of such a mitzvah.
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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1284 on: September 26, 2018, 02:10:31 PM »
Rain is siman klalah? In which universe?
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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1285 on: September 26, 2018, 02:11:15 PM »
Rain is siman klalah? In which universe?
On the onset of sukkos, yes.
Milky way.
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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1286 on: September 26, 2018, 02:19:56 PM »
Rain is siman klalah? In which universe?
On the onset of sukkos, yes.
Milky way.
Shu"a harav 114:1 says it's a siman klalah all days of sukkos, and that's why we only ask for rain on shmini atzeres
The same alter rebbe himself like all tzadikim following the baal shem tov) ate in a sukka when it rained AND made a bracha leisheiv basuka (gasp)

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1287 on: September 26, 2018, 02:21:35 PM »
Shu"a harav 114:1 says it's a siman klalah all days of sukkos, and that's why we only ask for rain on shmini atzeres
The same alter rebbe himself like all tzadikim following the baal shem tov) ate in a sukka when it rained AND made a bracha leisheiv basuka (gasp)
Yes this, this is what I have a problem with.
Before the lesheiv.
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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1288 on: September 26, 2018, 02:31:10 PM »
Yes this, this is what I have a problem with.
Before the lesheiv.
This is where you have to believe that he was at least as smart as you, and knew halacha at least as much as you, and still did it.
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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1289 on: September 26, 2018, 02:42:14 PM »
This is where you have to believe that he was at least as smart as you, and knew halacha at least as much as you, and still did it.
Yiddishkeit is rich!
Against a simple gemara with no explanation?
I'll pass
Pretty sure he didn't really have much support with these psakim...
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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1290 on: September 26, 2018, 02:42:49 PM »
It's actually when the aibershter wants to have some private quality time with his favorite kids/soldiers, he pours some rain so that they are the only ones still happy to stay in the Sukkah.
Is that what pouring on the face means?
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1291 on: September 26, 2018, 02:44:13 PM »
The mishna berura paskens to make 2 brochos on tefillin, 1 for shel yad and 1 for shel rosh. The mishna berura himself only made on the shel yad...
Yiddishkeit is rich!

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1292 on: September 26, 2018, 02:46:22 PM »
Against a simple gemara with no explanation?
I'll pass
Pretty sure he didn't really have much support with these psakim...
You have guts to speak like that about such a tzadik

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1293 on: September 26, 2018, 02:46:49 PM »
The mishna berura paskens to make 2 brochos on tefillin, 1 for shel yad and 1 for shel rosh. The mishna berura himself only made on the shel yad...
Yiddishkeit is rich!
Idk about you, but I make 2, despite being a safik brachos, but there is room for debate there, before the chafetz chaims times.
Krumkeit can be rich too!!
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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1294 on: September 26, 2018, 02:50:13 PM »
You have guts to speak like that about such a tzadik
Let me go controversial on you.
Emaunas chachamim is something that must be earned, it's not a blind trust like we are expected to have with the one above.
I don't want to get dirtier then this.
I am ready to be corrected if I'm wrong, but this is my understanding.
ETA: just noticed that it was Harav Baal hatanya who I have much respect for, so I take a step back.
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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1295 on: September 26, 2018, 02:54:04 PM »

There is something called Aimah and yirah as well.
I'm told that rain is a siman klalah, so I don't see it like that. (More like not getting the hint)
As well as the fact that it's nikrah hedyot to sit in the sukka when you aren't chayv/when it isn't a sukka. If there is no mitzvah how are you showing chavivos by doing it. To me it's like shaking a lulav all year (aside from Baal tosif)

Not exactly the same, yet somewhat relevant, is in the shiur tanya of these days (presumably cbc should have no problem with this תקנה, as it's not done betzibbur r"l).

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1296 on: September 26, 2018, 02:55:08 PM »
Idk about you, but I make 2, despite being a safik brachos, but there is room for debate there, before the chafetz chaims times.
Krumkeit can be rich too!!
So the chafetz chaim was krum?
Let me go controversial on you.
Emaunas chachamim is something that must be earned, it's not a blind trust like we are expected to have with the one above.
I don't want to get dirtier then this.
I am ready to be corrected if I'm wrong, but this is my understanding.

HE needs to earn YOUR trust?????
You have guts to speak like that about such a tzadik

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1297 on: September 26, 2018, 02:57:26 PM »
Is that what pouring on the face means?
See my follow up post with quotes from Tanya
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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1298 on: September 26, 2018, 02:57:56 PM »


So the chafetz chaim was krum?
Reread.


HE needs to earn YOUR trust?????
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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1299 on: September 26, 2018, 02:59:05 PM »
Let me go controversial on you.
Emaunas chachamim is something that must be earned, it's not a blind trust like we are expected to have with the one above.
I don't want to get dirtier then this.
I am ready to be corrected if I'm wrong, but this is my understanding.
This has nothing to do with emunas chachmim.
We have here a huge posek and Talmid chochom that acted in a certain way that you don't understand.  You could believe that he knew what he was doing, even though he didn't consult with you