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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1335 on: September 27, 2018, 07:00:20 AM »
Shu"a harav 114:1 says it's a siman klalah all days of sukkos, and that's why we only ask for rain on shmini atzeres
The same alter rebbe himself like all tzadikim following the baal shem tov) ate in a sukka when it rained AND made a bracha leisheiv basuka (gasp)
Source??

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1336 on: September 27, 2018, 07:02:27 AM »
Did you "conveniently" ignore:
But when someone asks whether you found any source that prohibits the minhag you bring an IRRELEVANT opinion. Irrelevant, because as YOU stated only applies if the additionals aren't kosher, which is obviously not the case.
I didn't ignore anything. My initial post on this minhag was that it is totally fine. Just added later that if all of the haddasim are not kosher, I would be more hesitant to say everyone thinks it's totally fine.
I can't imagine that the hamon am taking dozens of haddasim don't include any possul ones.

Is minhag chabad to make a tenay?

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1337 on: September 27, 2018, 08:42:05 AM »
Did you post a source that the shulchan oruch harav actually sat/ate/slept in the succa in the rain?
Where did I write that he did?
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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1338 on: September 27, 2018, 08:48:50 AM »
There are no sources for eating in the rain. It's a hergesh that chassidim are not mitztaer or won't let physical things make them mitztaer from a mitzvah.
However making a beracha im such a case is highly debatable even amongst chabad.
The rebbe made a beracha in such situations, but many chassidim feel that tzaddikim are different as they truely are not mitztaer. We just try to emulate them.

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1339 on: September 27, 2018, 09:23:43 AM »
Where did I write that he did?
I thought that's what you were alluding too.

Anyway to be clear, he did not.

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1340 on: September 27, 2018, 09:25:54 AM »
There are no sources for eating in the rain. It's a hergesh that chassidim are not mitztaer or won't let physical things make them mitztaer from a mitzvah.
However making a beracha im such a case is highly debatable even amongst chabad.
The rebbe made a beracha in such situations, but many chassidim feel that tzaddikim are different as they truely are not mitztaer. We just try to emulate them.
Not trying to rain on your parade or anything, but fyi, the gemara is full of anecdotes of amoraim and tanoim (aka tzadikim) that were mitztaer and left the succa.

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1341 on: September 27, 2018, 09:30:53 AM »
There are no sources for eating in the rain. It's a hergesh that chassidim are not mitztaer or won't let physical things make them mitztaer from a mitzvah.
However making a beracha im such a case is highly debatable even amongst chabad.
The rebbe made a beracha in such situations, but many chassidim feel that tzaddikim are different as they truely are not mitztaer. We just try to emulate them.
You know Lubavitchers who wouldn't make a Berocho in the rain?

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1342 on: September 27, 2018, 09:41:58 AM »
You know Lubavitchers who wouldn't make a Berocho in the rain?
Nope.
And FWIW, our one rainy meal was by far my favorite. Ate outside with my FIL and BIL and had a glorious meal.
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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1343 on: September 27, 2018, 09:43:55 AM »
There are no sources for eating in the rain. It's a hergesh that chassidim are not mitztaer or won't let physical things make them mitztaer from a mitzvah.
I read 4 pages on it in here:
http://store.kehotonline.com/prodinfo.asp?number=HL-OTSAMCE

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1344 on: September 27, 2018, 09:51:45 AM »
You know Lubavitchers who wouldn't make a Berocho in the rain?
Me

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1345 on: September 27, 2018, 09:53:06 AM »
Me
Felt zich in dein hiskashrus IMHO. I've never met anyone else that doesn't.
What other non-Chabad minhagim do you have?
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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1346 on: September 27, 2018, 09:54:47 AM »
Not trying to rain on your parade or anything
As long as it's Sukkos you can rain on my parade as much as you want

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1347 on: September 27, 2018, 09:55:59 AM »
I didn't ignore anything. My initial post on this minhag was that it is totally fine. Just added later that if all of the haddasim are not kosher, I would be more hesitant to say everyone thinks it's totally fine.
I can't imagine that the hamon am taking dozens of haddasim don't include any possul ones.

Is minhag chabad to make a tenay?
Maybe you first take a moment to familiarize yourself with minhag Chabad before you make assumptions.

Sefer haminhagim states that we don't add Arovos, but may add Hadassim, and mentions several counts (4, 12, 13, 26). IINM the Rebbe used 26 most years, possibly 36 on a שנה מעוברת, and in the later years.

For years there were very few people who actually added Hadassim (or had more than 4 haddasim). Then in the early 1990s the Rebbe encouraged the practice (and IINM suggested to add at least 3, will post source when I have it available).

Practically, if you look what "hamon haam" does, you'll see that most add a few Hadassim (so they have 6 or more), few have 3 or 4 while maybe 5% of the crowd has 36.

In recent years, I haven't seen Hadassim sold loose. Everybody buys pre sorted, so assuming one can rely on the Hashgochos on the sorting, they are all kosher.
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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1348 on: September 27, 2018, 09:57:16 AM »
Nope.
And FWIW, our one rainy meal was by far my favorite. Ate outside with my FIL and BIL and had a glorious meal.

Because the women were inside?  :P

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1349 on: September 27, 2018, 09:59:54 AM »
Because the women were inside?  :P
No comment.
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