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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1400 on: November 13, 2018, 10:04:30 AM »
It is a practice encouraged by most of the chabad yeshivas, so I'm not at all surprised he thinks it's a positive thing.
Which ones don't encourage? And which practice - the buying at a discount, selling without a license, or drinking?

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Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1401 on: November 23, 2018, 12:54:58 AM »
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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1402 on: January 31, 2019, 04:00:12 AM »
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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1403 on: January 31, 2019, 12:07:08 PM »
what percentage of bachurim keep the 4 lechaim limit during farbrengens? was this established for bachurim or adults?

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1404 on: January 31, 2019, 12:37:44 PM »
what percentage of bachurim keep the 4 lechaim limit during farbrengens? was this established for bachurim or adults?
Who established this?
How many ounces is a lechayim?

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1405 on: January 31, 2019, 12:44:27 PM »
Who established this?
How many ounces is a lechayim?
the Rebbe
a small cup, but perhaps the experts will clarify here

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1406 on: January 31, 2019, 01:05:20 PM »


the Rebbe


And they wouldn't keep to that??

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1407 on: January 31, 2019, 02:14:56 PM »
was this established for bachurim or adults?
both. until age 40

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1408 on: January 31, 2019, 03:31:12 PM »
the Rebbe
a small cup, but perhaps the experts will clarify here
It’s generally understood as the little (1 oz) shot glasses.
So 4 Lechaim’s would be about 4 oz

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1409 on: January 31, 2019, 05:55:41 PM »

It’s generally understood as the little (1 oz) shot glasses.
So 4 Lechaim’s would be about 4 oz
Though you won’t be shot if you use a cup that’s a drop larger than a shot cup.
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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1410 on: January 31, 2019, 06:01:41 PM »
Apparently, the Rebbe initially made the גזירה on 3 cups which total a רביעית. Later it was changed to 4 cups so it comes to just under 4 oz.

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1411 on: January 31, 2019, 07:10:46 PM »

And they wouldn't keep to that??
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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1412 on: January 31, 2019, 07:50:41 PM »
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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1413 on: January 31, 2019, 07:55:34 PM »
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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1414 on: February 03, 2019, 08:12:35 PM »

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1415 on: February 03, 2019, 11:07:43 PM »
Didn’t listen yet, but looks like it might be relevant.

https://collive.com/show_news.rtx?id=54312&alias=violating-rebbe-s-limit-on-drinking

I didn’t listen, however imho it’s a unique yetzer harah that Chabad has being that it is forbidden to us. (Not getting into how Chabad comes from Russia and heavy drinking was part of its DNA, due to the cold, rough spiritual climate they lived in, etc.). Once we have established that, why does anyone sin? We were all commanded by Hashem to live a elevated lifestyle, however we all face our personal challenges, and many (all?) of us struggle in different areas of our life.

P.s. I do not condone the practice at all, just addressing a question that was asked.

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1416 on: February 03, 2019, 11:12:19 PM »
Apparently, the Rebbe initially made the גזירה on 3 cups which total a רביעית. Later it was changed to 4 cups so it comes to just under 4 oz.

So it is, we follow the opinion of Rabbi Chaim Naeh that a Revi’is is (approx) 3 ounces.

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1417 on: February 03, 2019, 11:55:10 PM »
Semi-relevant aside:

My rov was relaying how when he lived in toronto, he once went to the purim seuda of a chashuva lubavitcher whose children he learned with. The host had a bottle of absolut, and 2 apples, which he cut up into pieces. He would take a shot, then eat a piece of apple, continuing until he finished both the bottle and the apples - and he didn't get particularly drunk. (No idea if this is a lubavitcher thing, or just this guy's shtick.)  Something about apples counteracting the alcohol in some way, getting you less drunk or less sick or something.

At which point I chimed in, well you know what they say, an apple a day...

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1418 on: February 03, 2019, 11:57:46 PM »
Semi-relevant aside:

My rov was relaying how when he lived in toronto, he once went to the purim seuda of a chashuva lubavitcher whose children he learned with. The host had a bottle of absolut, and 2 apples, which he cut up into pieces. He would take a shot, then eat a piece of apple, continuing until he finished both the bottle and the apples - and he didn't get particularly drunk. (No idea if this is a lubavitcher thing, or just this guy's shtick.)  Something about apples counteracting the alcohol in some way, getting you less drunk or less sick or something.

At which point I chimed in, well you know what they say, an apple a day...
*I never heard of anything specific with the apples
*odds are it's the guy's tolerance, nothing to do with the apples
*there is discussion about whether and to what extent the rule applies to purim

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Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« Reply #1419 on: February 04, 2019, 12:54:25 AM »
Semi-relevant aside:

My rov was relaying how when he lived in toronto, he once went to the purim seuda of a chashuva lubavitcher whose children he learned with. The host had a bottle of absolut, and 2 apples, which he cut up into pieces. He would take a shot, then eat a piece of apple, continuing until he finished both the bottle and the apples - and he didn't get particularly drunk. (No idea if this is a lubavitcher thing, or just this guy's shtick.)  Something about apples counteracting the alcohol in some way, getting you less drunk or less sick or something.

At which point I chimed in, well you know what they say, an apple a day...

There are/have been some old Russian Lubavitchers in Toronto who handled a whole lot more than a bottle of absolut.