We need a separate mass shooting forum.

[S209]

Why is that? I don't think guns have become more accessible in that time.

That’s a great question that should be examined but guns have most definitely proliferated during that time. Gun sales have consistently risen in the US recently.

[madhocker]

I don’t understand either of the things you said.

He specifically said no correlation was found.

No correlation implies that we can assume there is no connection.

[R.A.T.]

FWIU, whenever anyone has tried to actually study this, they find video games have no correlation to violent or criminal behavior of any kind.

https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/view/violence-crime-and-violent-video-games-there-correlation

[TimT]

https://www.the-sun.com/news/5420488/texas-shooter-salvador-ramos-video-game/

[zh cohen]

The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to have a force of good guys with guns barricade him in a room with children until better guys come with better guns

https://twitter.com/josephzeballos/status/1529890793456078848

[Sam 77]

According to a recent analysis, the Parkland school shooter, the Sandy Hook shooter, one of the Columbine shooters, the Buffalo shooter, and the Uvalde shooter were all immersed in video games and likely addicted to them.

[Euclid]

According to a recent analysis, the Parkland school shooter, the Sandy Hook shooter, one of the Columbine shooters, the Buffalo shooter, and the Uvalde shooter were all immersed in video games and likely addicted to them.

Is that typical for people that age/gender etc?

[Yehuda57]

No correlation implies that we can assume there is no connection.

Sorry, I should have worded it "no correlation was found," which everyone else probably understood, but whatever. Millions upon millions of people play extremely violent video games all over the world without committing any crimes, let alone mass school shootings. If video games were the cause, why would the USA be such an outlier and not, say, Japan? The video game talk is a classic case of rushing to find a scapegoat without any real evidence.

[R.A.T.]

"I'm EMBARRASSED: Texas #2 in nation for new gun purchases, behind CALIFORNIA. Let's pick up the pace Texans," Texas Governor Greg Abbott.

[madhocker]

Millions upon millions of people play extremely violent video games all over the world without committing any crimes, let alone mass school shootings. If video games were the cause, why would the USA be such an outlier and not, say, Japan? The video game talk is a classic case of rushing to find a scapegoat without any real evidence.

I'm not suggesting that video games are 'the' cause. Of course there are numerous factors, like the availability of guns, etc. which explain the divide between different regions.
But it is obvious that exposing someone over and over again to violence and cruelty will dull his repulsion towards them, which will make it easier for him to engage in such behaviors. I find it hard to believe that you would disagree with this.

[jj1000]

But it is obvious

{Citation needed}

Lots of things sound true in theory, doesn't mean they actually are true.

[Sam 77]

I'm not suggesting that video games are 'the' cause. Of course there are numerous factors, like the availability of guns, etc. which explain the divide between different regions.
But it is obvious that exposing someone over and over again to violence and cruelty will dull his repulsion towards them, which will make it easier for him to engage in such behaviors. I find it hard to believe that you would disagree with this.

+1

[TimT]

"I'm EMBARRASSED: Texas #2 in nation for new gun purchases, behind CALIFORNIA. Let's pick up the pace Texans," Texas Governor Greg Abbott.

Was it at the fundraiser he attended hours after the shooting ?

[Yehuda57]

I'm not suggesting that video games are 'the' cause. Of course there are numerous factors, like the availability of guns, etc. which explain the divide between different regions.
But it is obvious that exposing someone over and over again to violence and cruelty will dull his repulsion towards them, which will make it easier for him to engage in such behaviors. I find it hard to believe that you would disagree with this.

Study after study has been done, and no one finds a link to criminal behavior. Even the one posted upthread notes a correlation to increased aggressiveness, NOT criminal behavior. Video games are not real life. It is absolutely not obvious that killing someone in a video game will make you less sensitive to actual murder. It sounds true and feels true. But that doesn't make it true.

[TimT]

Lots of things sound true in theory, doesn't mean they actually are true.

I was always taught that what you see has an effect on you. Not by you ?

I didn’t say it makes you go on a shooting rampage. But it’s not healthy. There’s a reason there’s ratings on it, it’s graphic & disturbing.

[madhocker]

My original post said nothing about video games, it was about movies. Our values and ideals are shaped by the messages we receive on a daily basis from our surrounding society. Hollywood is influencing todays kids and shaping their minds. Having actors act out cruel and violent behavior makes people more open to emulating these behaviors.
Would you agree or disagree to this comment made upthread

Imagine if everyone was watching movies all day of people doing chessed with others and trying to befriend sad people (kind of like some of the CCHF clips), how different do you think our communities would look? Are there any high profile actors/producers who would insist on producing content of such nature?

[TimT]

https://twitter.com/evanhill/status/1529841664595984384

[zh cohen]

https://twitter.com/josephzeballos/status/1529890793456078848

https://www.kens5.com/article/news/special-reports/uvalde-school-shooting/its-time-to-die-fourth-grade-survivor-uvalde-shooting-recalls-what-gunman-told-student/273-51cc4e26-7a0a-49c0-ba7a-48cdd47fa235

"The cop said: 'Yell if you need help!' And one of the persons in my class said 'help.' The guy overheard and he came in and shot her," the boy said.

I know it's easy to be a Monday morning qb, but it seems like there were some major police procedure failings.

[R.A.T.]

I know it's easy to be a Monday morning qb, but it seems like there were some major police procedure failings.

VANESSA CROIX: And we’ve also heard word that a Border Patrol agent was struck with gunfire. A few officers shot. We’ve heard that some law enforcement officers actually went into school to get their kids out. Can you talk about that?

LT. CHRISTOPHER OLIVAREZ: Right. So what we do know, Vanessa, right now, that there was some police officers, families trying to get their children out of school because it was a active shooter situation right now. It’s a terrible situation right now. And of course, just as we mentioned, the loss of life. It’s just a terrible, it’s a terrible tragedy of another took place. But again, we’ve got to keep acknowledging those brave men and women that actually were there on scene that met this suspect. And, of course, we know that they were met with gunfire. Some of them were shot. But at the end of this, the suspect was shot, is now deceased. The threat is now neutralized.

[AussieMan]

Is there any rationalization for how long it took to neutralize the murderer?