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Re: We need a separate mass shooting forum.
« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2019, 10:52:39 AM »
The definition of insanity.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/texas-gun-laws-weapons-will-be-allowed-in-churches-and-on-school-grounds/ar-AAFsFiT?ocid=spartandhp
Should churchgoers not be armed if they want to be?
What would have happened at Chabad of Poway if no congregants were armed?
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Re: We need a separate mass shooting forum.
« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2019, 11:42:50 AM »
Should churchgoers not be armed if they want to be?
What would have happened at Chabad of Poway if no congregants were armed?
The bigger question is do more armed individuals make us safer. We can look at individual situations that suit our viewpoint but that will not solve anything.

Texas has more mass shootings recently than any state. The ban guns side can say that is proof that more guns is not the answer.
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Re: We need a separate mass shooting forum.
« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2019, 02:19:05 PM »
The bigger question is do more armed individuals make us safer. We can look at individual situations that suit our viewpoint but that will not solve anything.

Texas has more mass shootings recently than any state. The ban guns side can say that is proof that more guns is not the answer.
A valid point but how many of the mass shootings were cases where the gunman was legally allowed to have his gun there before this bill?
In other words, does this bill give a potential gunman an easier time getting a gun into a place where he couldn't have shot before or does it only make it easier for a potential stopper to have a gun in a place where he couldn't have before?
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Re: We need a separate mass shooting forum.
« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2019, 02:24:15 PM »
A valid point but how many of the mass shootings were cases where the gunman was legally allowed to have his gun there before this bill?
In other words, does this bill give a potential gunman an easier time getting a gun into a place where he couldn't have shot before or does it only make it easier for a potential stopper to have a gun in a place where he couldn't have before?
There is this belief that guns in more places will make you safer. The reason we are not safe is because of to many guns.
Leave the 2A out of this for a second. If tomorrow we could push a magic button and all guns in private citizens hands would disappear would we be more or less safe?
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Re: We need a separate mass shooting forum.
« Reply #9 on: September 01, 2019, 02:27:57 PM »
There is this belief that guns in more places will make you safer. The reason we are not safe is because of to many guns.
Leave the 2A out of this for a second. If tomorrow we could push a magic button and all guns in private citizens hands would disappear would we be more or less safe?
While it may be true that we are not safe because of too many guns, keeping them out of the hands of people who can stop a mass shooting isn't the answer. Either you get rid of all guns or you make it possible for people to protect themselves, anywhere in the middle and you allow for bad guys to get guns and make it hard for good guys to stop them.
With regards to your magic button question- I won't bother answering it as it's not a realistic scenario and therefore a moot theoretical case which has no bearing on the real world.
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Re: We need a separate mass shooting forum.
« Reply #10 on: September 01, 2019, 02:49:05 PM »
There is this belief that guns in more places will make you safer. The reason we are not safe is because of to many guns.
Leave the 2A out of this for a second. If tomorrow we could push a magic button and all guns in private citizens hands would disappear would we be more or less safe?
If all guns disappear we will be more safe.
On the other hand if that button magically gives everyone a gun we'll also be more safe from mass shooters. It won't stop the shootings but will significantly reduce casualties.

The downside to that is we will have more people shooting individuals due to conflicts and anger.

The easy way to counteract that would be to impose a death penalty for people who kill.
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Re: We need a separate mass shooting forum.
« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2019, 02:50:31 PM »
If all guns disappear we will be more safe.
On the other hand if that button magically gives everyone a gun we'll also be more safe from mass shooters. It won't stop the shootings but will significantly reduce casualties.

The downside to that is we will have more people shooting individuals due to conflicts and anger.

The easy way to counteract that would be to impose a death penalty for people who kill.
not so sure abt the death penalty as many mass killers have also been suicidal

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Re: We need a separate mass shooting forum.
« Reply #12 on: September 01, 2019, 02:55:09 PM »
On the other hand if that button magically gives everyone a gun we'll also be more safe from mass shooters. It won't stop the shootings but will significantly reduce casualties.
Are you saying no one in the Walmart shooting had a gun?
Giving everyone a gun would only make us much more unsafe. Can you imagine any large event where dispute/fight breaks out. What do you think is going to happen if everyone has a gun?
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Re: We need a separate mass shooting forum.
« Reply #13 on: September 01, 2019, 02:56:35 PM »
The easy way to counteract that would be to impose a death penalty for people who kill.
That has had zero effect but I am 100% for it based on different reasons.
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Re: We need a separate mass shooting forum.
« Reply #14 on: September 01, 2019, 03:05:40 PM »
not so sure abt the death penalty as many mass killers have also been suicidal
I understood it to only be a solution for conflicts and anger.
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Re: We need a separate mass shooting forum.
« Reply #15 on: September 01, 2019, 03:07:13 PM »
Are you saying no one in the Walmart shooting had a gun?
Giving everyone a gun would only make us much more unsafe. Can you imagine any large event where dispute/fight breaks out. What do you think is going to happen if everyone has a gun?
Do you disagree that they can reduce casualties?
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Re: We need a separate mass shooting forum.
« Reply #16 on: September 01, 2019, 03:16:49 PM »
Do you disagree that they can reduce casualties?
Yes they can but I look at the big picture. It would be a net loss.
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Re: We need a separate mass shooting forum.
« Reply #17 on: September 01, 2019, 03:21:26 PM »
not so sure abt the death penalty as many mass killers have also been suicidal
Mass shooters (and I guess any public shooter) would be killed by the public before death penalty could come.
Are you saying no one in the Walmart shooting had a gun?
Giving everyone a gun would only make us much more unsafe. Can you imagine any large event where dispute/fight breaks out. What do you think is going to happen if everyone has a gun?
I don't know which Walmart shooting you're talking about. Yes I agree somewhat about the fights. I could be wrong about the death penalty helping.
That has had zero effect but I am 100% for it based on different reasons.
And those are?
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Re: We need a separate mass shooting forum.
« Reply #18 on: September 01, 2019, 03:35:29 PM »
And those are?
Punishment fits the crime.
In most of these cases the death penalty would not come close to fitting the crime. Something like a blowtorch comes to mind. Not bad for a bleeding heart liberal? 
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Re: We need a separate mass shooting forum.
« Reply #19 on: September 01, 2019, 03:44:51 PM »
The bigger question is do more armed individuals make us safer. We can look at individual situations that suit our viewpoint but that will not solve anything.

Texas has more mass shootings recently than any state. The ban guns side can say that is proof that more guns is not the answer.
For better or worse we can't get rid of guns in this country.
Given that, I don't see why teachers and churchgoers shouldn't be armed if they want to be armed.

It's absurd that universal background checks aren't standard, but that's another story.
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