We need a separate mass shooting forum.

[mmgfarb]

Everyone has a breaking point. I believe Kroger is following their lead.

Stopping the sale of certain ammunition is something I get but I don't understand how asking people not to open carry in your stores accomplishes anything other than political gesturing but maybe I'm missing something.

[CountValentine]

Stopping the sale of certain ammunition is something I get but I don't understand how asking people not to open carry in your stores accomplishes anything other than political gesturing but maybe I'm missing something.

Some believe that having every yahoo carrying a weapon is not a good idea. I happen to agree with them. The requirements for a carry permit in IL is a joke.

[Yonah]

Late to the party (as usual), w/r/t to people carrying in shul - for me it's not so much as who's carrying. I'm fortunate to have several active and retired military and law enforcement people in my shul. I have no issue with them carrying, because they've been trained for many of the possible situations that might arise.

There are others that carry that have permits to do so, but I'm worried that they're more likely to cause friendly fire incidents - i.e. accidentally hitting a congregant.

[CountValentine]

Walmart takes a stand.

Everyone has a breaking point. I believe Kroger is following their lead.

Now it looks like Walgreens is following. The weakest president this country has ever seen should grow a set and show some leadership.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/walgreens-asks-shoppers-not-to-carry-firearms-openly/ar-AAGRjKO?ocid=spartandhp

[Essen est zich]

DEVELOPING: Unconfirmed number of victims in ‘mass casualty' shooting at FedEx facility in Indianapolis, police say.

[TimT]

https://twitter.com/OCSheriff/status/1525944252726845441

[WAM]

There is this belief that guns in more places will make you safer. The reason we are not safe is because of to many guns.
Leave the 2A out of this for a second. If tomorrow we could push a magic button and all guns in private citizens hands would disappear would we be more or less safe?

In Israel, legal guns save lives. Many people are armed there and terrorists are neutralized much faster because private citizens have guns.

[jj1000]

In Israel, legal guns save lives. Many people are armed there and terrorists are neutralized much faster because private citizens have guns.

I don't think he was talking about Israel.

[WAM]

I don't think he was talking about Israel.

I know that, I just brought that up to make a point.
Allowing more people to have guns can be a net positive.

[Moshe Green]

Late to the party (as usual), w/r/t to people carrying in shul - for me it's not so much as who's carrying. I'm fortunate to have several active and retired military and law enforcement people in my shul. I have no issue with them carrying, because they've been trained for many of the possible situations that might arise.

There are others that carry that have permits to do so, but I'm worried that they're more likely to cause friendly fire incidents - i.e. accidentally hitting a congregant.

not getting into limiting firearms, seems to be that we need to encourage, responsible, sensible people, especially those with a police or military background to carry guns.

[aygart]

not getting into limiting firearms, seems to be that we need to encourage, responsible, sensible people, especially those with a police or military background to carry guns.

Unfortunately a decent portion of shooters have military background with untreated PTSD.

[skyguy918]

Unfortunately a decent portion of shooters have military background with untreated PTSD.

I'm curious how Israel mitigates this if at all, because you would think that would be a major problem there.

[TimT]

I'm curious how Israel mitigates this if at all, because you would think that would be a major problem there.

Its gotta be different when you actually feel you’re defending your land vs fighting endless wars overseas. The Israelis also seem to do a better job keeping moral up. You see them in groups singing & dancing at the kosel & various other places. After their tour is up many put a backpack on & go tour the world.

[sguitarist18]

Unfortunately a decent portion of shooters have military background with untreated PTSD.

What are the percentages on this?

[AsherO]

I know that, I just brought that up to make a point.
Allowing more people to have guns can be a net positive.

Context is everything, something that’s a net positive for one society could be a net negative for another society.

[jj1000]

I know that, I just brought that up to make a point.
Allowing more people to have guns can be a net positive.

It's just silly to bring up other countries with massively different dynamics at play to try and make a point.

We don't have terrorist attacks like Israel does.

He can show how Singapore has 1-3 gun deaths per year and guns are strongly controlled there, so if we do what Singapore does we can save tens of thousands of lives per year...

[Moshe Green]

It's just silly to bring up other countries with massively different dynamics at play to try and make a point.

We don't have terrorist attacks like Israel does.

He can show how Singapore has 1-3 gun deaths per year and guns are strongly controlled there, so if we do what Singapore does we can save tens of thousands of lives per year...

unlike almost every other country, the US has a large gun culture which would make it 10x harder than any other country to pass and enforce gun control laws

[WAM]

It's just silly to bring up other countries with massively different dynamics at play to try and make a point.

We don't have terrorist attacks like Israel does.

He can show how Singapore has 1-3 gun deaths per year and guns are strongly controlled there, so if we do what Singapore does we can save tens of thousands of lives per year...

I don't think it's silly to bring up other countries. I was simply bringing up a point to add to the discussion - not to lead to a conclusion. We can learn from other countries. Why does it work on Israel and Singapore?  Will either approach also work in the US?
Perhaps I could have made my intent clearer.

[aygart]

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ETA: KSAT San Antonio: 2 killed, more than a dozen wounded in a shooting at a Uvalde elementary school, active shooter in custody, officials say.
https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2022/05/24/active-shooter-reported-at-uvalde-elementary-school-district-says/

[TimT]

14 students & 1 teacher killed