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Re: Yeshiva Education Models?
« Reply #15 on: September 12, 2019, 04:20:57 PM »
Don't think all of these teach even basic math/English.
Most do

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Re: Yeshiva Education Models?
« Reply #16 on: September 12, 2019, 04:35:27 PM »
Darchei is the old YTV basically. Most yeshivas in NY will not allow college period. The days of Touro Flatbush Night where you went to yeshiva all day and had the same classmates at night in college are over. Machon L'parnasah is where thats at today.

Ohr Yitzchok (Rabbis Pinchas and Shmuel Wallerstein's yeshiva) is the only one that has a program for college guys where they're in college by day and learn at night.

Lander's today is a top yeshivish yeshiva. Obviously with the college component.

Wow.

I went to college full time after a couple of years in E"Y. Most of my friends in the Yeshivish world did Touro or Brooklyn at Night a few went the BTL route and on to law school. IIRC Ner Yisroel had a similar arrangement with Towson and/or UMBC.

I didn't realize that it was fully assur to do that now. What does Machon L'Parnassah teach?

... and we've been talking a lot about the boys, how do Bais Yaakovs line up? (For the bottom three options, Boys and girls get equivalent education - with the only exception that more right-leaning Day Schools most likely do not teach Gemara to Girls).




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Re: Yeshiva Education Models?
« Reply #17 on: September 12, 2019, 04:47:20 PM »
Seems like there's a little bit of confusion here. K-12 is a separate discussion from post-HS (BM). Discussion of which schools 'allow' college is only actually relevant to BM. In a place that has both HS and BM, just because the BM does not allow college doesn't mean the HS doesn't prepare students from college, and it doesn't mean that a decent percentage of the HS students won't go on to go to college while learning in other BM's.

Lander's today is a top yeshivish yeshiva. Obviously with the college component. 
Lander's is not a yeshivish yeshiva. As noted earlier, it's basically like the more right wing portion of YU. Ohr Hachai (Rabbi Lander's yeshiva) would be closer to that description, but even that's not what most would consider a yeshivish yeshiva.

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Re: Yeshiva Education Models?
« Reply #18 on: September 12, 2019, 05:04:58 PM »
Landers is right of YU right. It's as close to what YTV used to be. Its not Chaim Berlin or Torah Temima yeshivish.
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Re: Yeshiva Education Models?
« Reply #19 on: September 12, 2019, 05:46:06 PM »
Landers is right of YU right. It's as close to what YTV used to be. Its not Chaim Berlin or Torah Temima yeshivish.

what period of if YTV are you referring to the 1970's?

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Re: Yeshiva Education Models?
« Reply #20 on: September 12, 2019, 05:56:29 PM »
Seems like there's a little bit of confusion here. K-12 is a separate discussion from post-HS (BM). Discussion of which schools 'allow' college is only actually relevant to BM. In a place that has both HS and BM, just because the BM does not allow college doesn't mean the HS doesn't prepare students from college, and it doesn't mean that a decent percentage of the HS students won't go on to go to college while learning in other BM's.
Lander's is not a yeshivish yeshiva. As noted earlier, it's basically like the more right wing portion of YU. Ohr Hachai (Rabbi Lander's yeshiva) would be closer to that description, but even that's not what most would consider a yeshivish yeshiva.

With you there. When I included my original definition of Yeshivish, I was including those yeshivos in NY that also have their students take regents (and don't hand them the answers :) )

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Re: Yeshiva Education Models?
« Reply #21 on: September 12, 2019, 06:01:12 PM »
Landers is right of YU right. It's as close to what YTV used to be. Its not Chaim Berlin or Torah Temima yeshivish.

While I have admittedly left the Yeshivish world, as someone in their 40's, I honestly didn't think that my TV, TT and CB friends were really that much different hashkafically.

In my mind, Landers is the compromise for MO kids that flipped out in Israel, wanted to go to Yeshiva full time but their parents want them to go to college.

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Re: Yeshiva Education Models?
« Reply #22 on: September 12, 2019, 06:10:31 PM »




In my mind, Landers is the compromise for MO kids that flipped out in Israel, wanted to go to Yeshiva full time but their parents want them to go to college.

Or just plain Harries.
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Re: Yeshiva Education Models?
« Reply #23 on: September 12, 2019, 08:57:36 PM »
Don't think all of these teach even basic math/English.
In my Chassidish area EVERYBODY is following DansDeals, so that certainly means they got the English "and the math" right!!..

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Re: Yeshiva Education Models?
« Reply #24 on: September 12, 2019, 09:00:26 PM »
In my Chassidish area EVERYBODY is following DansDeals, so that certainly means they got the English "and the math" right!!..
Bad example as many don't grasp the math of CB over points/miles.  :)
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Re: Yeshiva Education Models?
« Reply #25 on: September 12, 2019, 10:39:37 PM »
Don't think all of these teach even basic math/English.

Who made you think that?

Bobov satmar etc all do

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Re: Yeshiva Education Models?
« Reply #26 on: September 12, 2019, 10:50:47 PM »
Bad example as many don't grasp the math of CB over points/miles.  :)

Did you start with CB or miles? I started with miles and switched heavily to CB

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Re: Yeshiva Education Models?
« Reply #27 on: September 13, 2019, 12:07:45 AM »
In my Chassidish area EVERYBODY is following DansDeals, so that certainly means they got the English "and the math" right!!..
Don't need to learn that from school. Certainly many have street smarts.
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Re: Yeshiva Education Models?
« Reply #28 on: September 13, 2019, 12:08:19 AM »
Who made you think that?

Bobov satmar etc all do
I said I don't think that all do.
What does OT teach @ExGingi?
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Re: Yeshiva Education Models?
« Reply #29 on: September 13, 2019, 12:25:09 AM »
I said I don't think that all do.
What does OT teach @ExGingi?
My kids don't go to OT, but I believe OT (and OM, and now also OYY) are unique in not teaching ANY English EVER. I believe they do teach some Yiddish and לשון הקודש "grammar" (probably more like basic language rules). I just came back from an open house with the teachers of my 6th grade son at OM. The afternoon teacher said that he's planning to teach what he called כתיבה and explained to be somewhat like Yiddish grammar.

My SIL created a "math" curriculum called הייליקע נומערן which teaches Torah arithmetic. For a while I think OT were buying her books, but I think that at a certain point they wanted her to modify it further based on their guidance, and after she put time and effort into that, I think they dropped it altogether.
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