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Re: Letitia James harassing B&H
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2019, 04:21:56 PM »

Dear B&H Employee,

Today the NY Attorney General filed suit against B&H claiming that we should have collected sales tax from customers on instant savings discounts.  We obviously believe these claims are without merit, especially since the entire consumer electronics retail industry takes the identical approach that we do.  B&H will fight these allegations aggressively.  It’s unbelievable to me that the Attorney General has singled out B&H and is misleading the public about our company, while ignoring the identical practices from much larger competitors.
 
We issued the following statement to the press:
 
“The Attorney General is flat wrong – and is trying to create a tax on discounts in order to make New Yorkers pay more.  B&H is not a big box store or a faceless chain; we are a New York institution, having operated here for nearly 50 years with a stellar reputation. The tax department has done countless audits and never once – not a single time – mentioned this widespread industry practice.
 
“B&H has done nothing wrong and it is outrageous that the AG has decided to sue a New York company that employs thousands of New Yorkers while leaving the national online and retail behemoths unchallenged. The Attorney General wants to charge New Yorkers a tax on money they never spent. It’s wrong and we won’t be bullied.”
 
We regularly offer customers instant savings discounts.  This is an industry wide practice.  On a camera that regularly sells for $1,000 that has an instant savings offer of $200, the net selling price is $800 and we collect and remit sales tax on the $800.  The Attorney General is claiming that we should collect tax based on the $1,000 and thus have underpaid sales tax for 13 years.  Common sense, legal precedent, and years of sales tax audits approving our practice say we have done everything right.
 
I want each of you to know that B&H acts with the highest standards of integrity in everything we do, and I find this action offensive and very disappointing.  I look forward to having our day in court to defend ourselves and our customers against these absurd allegations.
 
If you have any questions or receive any outside inquiries, please direct them to Jeff Gerstel or David Eisenberg.
 
Let’s make sure we commit 100% of our energy to serving our customers, as we always do, and exceeding their expectations every day.  Please do not allow this frivolous lawsuit to create any distraction from our mission of treating our customers right.
 
Thank you,
 
Menashe Horowitz
CEO

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Re: Letitia James harassing B&H
« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2019, 04:23:08 PM »
Flat wrong?
Does he mean flat-out wrong?
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Re: Letitia James harassing B&H
« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2019, 04:29:26 PM »
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To all people who are interested in the simple truth here the indisputable facts regarding the B&H sales tax issue.

Background:

It's very common for some manufacturers to drop their Map Price of an item with for example $500 and force the retailers to charge the customer with $500 less for the item, take for example the Nikon D850 (Searched as Nikon 1585) camera it currently has an Instant rebate of $500 from $3296.95 to $2796.95.

So normally B&H would collect Sales Tax on $3296.95 but now since the Manufacturer sets the sell price as  $2796.95 B&H  would collect Sales Tax only on $2796.95

The Government argues that since the manufacturer reimburses B&H with money for the forced discount it is as if the Sell Price was $3296.95 and not $2796.95.

Now lets look at the INDISPUTABLE FACTS.

Amazon does Same:

https://www.amazon.com/Nikon-D850-FX-format-Digital-Camera/dp/B07524LHMT/?psc=1

Best Buy does same

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/nikon-d850-dslr-camera-body-only-black/6084300.p?skuId=6084300 

Samys Camera does same

https://www.samys.com/p/Digital-SLRs/1585/Nikon-D850-Digital-SLR-Camera-Body-with-MB-D18-Multi-Power-Battery-Pack/214538.html

The fact is that B&H, Amazon, Best Buy & Samy’s  are all right, the sell price was $2796.95 and NOT $3296.95, why should B&H charge Sales Tax on $3296.95 when the customer paid only $2796.95 ?

Does the AG think that people need to pay Sales Tax on money they have NOT paid for the retailer?

The 2’nd question is why was B&H Targeted when no one else was targeted?

It smells no good…

We the people of NY should contact the AG’s office and let her know what we feel and she should drop the lawsuit immediately.


Again the 2 major questions are:

  1.  Why should people pay Sales Tax on $3296.95when the Sell Price was only $2796.95?

  2.  Why was B&H Targeted and No one else?


We need answers!!!
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Re: Letitia James harassing B&H
« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2019, 04:30:23 PM »
Flat wrong?
Does he mean flat-out wrong?
he is chassidish after all.... ;D
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Re: Letitia James harassing B&H
« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2019, 04:32:46 PM »
Costco actually does charge tax on the original pre discounted price.

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Re: Letitia James harassing B&H
« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2019, 04:36:03 PM »
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Re: Letitia James harassing B&H
« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2019, 05:07:51 PM »
Costco actually does charge tax on the original pre discounted price.

Why should a customer pay tax on $1000 when they are buying something for $800??  :o

ETA: https://topclassactions.com/lawsuit-settlements/lawsuit-news/774272-costco-class-action-retailer-collects-ny-sales-tax-coupon-items/
« Last Edit: November 14, 2019, 05:11:11 PM by tageed-lee »

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Re: Letitia James harassing B&H
« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2019, 05:15:51 PM »
Why should a customer pay tax on $1000 when they are buying something for $800??  :o

ETA: https://topclassactions.com/lawsuit-settlements/lawsuit-news/774272-costco-class-action-retailer-collects-ny-sales-tax-coupon-items/
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New York state law has a few provisions governing the collection of sales tax on coupon-discounted items, depending on how the coupon is issued and how the discount is subsidized.

When a retailer issues a coupon for a discount to be covered by reimbursement from the manufacturer, the retailer is on the hook for the sales tax applicable to the entire amount of its receipts – the sale price plus the manufacturer’s reimbursement.

But unless the retailer discloses the manufacturer’s reimbursement to the customer, the retailer can’t collect from the customer any more sales tax than an amount based on the discounted price the customer pays.
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Re: Letitia James harassing B&H
« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2019, 05:20:06 PM »

Doesn't look good for B&H. And they pretty much admitted doing that in the letter above.
Just means NY will also go after other places.
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Re: Letitia James harassing B&H
« Reply #10 on: November 14, 2019, 05:20:20 PM »
Flat wrong?
Does he mean flat-out wrong?
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Re: Letitia James harassing B&H
« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2019, 05:22:15 PM »
Doesn't look good for B&H. And they pretty much admitted doing that in the letter above.
Just means NY will also go after other places.

So are you saying this is just a made up NY law, and no other states are effected?

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Re: Letitia James harassing B&H
« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2019, 05:23:36 PM »
But unless the retailer discloses the manufacturer’s reimbursement to the customer, the retailer can’t collect from the customer any more sales tax than an amount based on the discounted price the customer pays.

They do disclose the "savings" amount to the customer on the product page.

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Re: Letitia James harassing B&H
« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2019, 05:27:30 PM »
They do disclose the "savings" amount to the customer on the product page.
Okay, so they had the right (obligation?) to collect it from the customer.
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Re: Letitia James harassing B&H
« Reply #14 on: November 14, 2019, 05:29:48 PM »
Okay, so they had the right (obligation?) to collect it from the customer.

?

the retailer can’t collect from the customer any more sales tax than an amount based on the discounted price the customer pays.

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Re: Letitia James harassing B&H
« Reply #15 on: November 14, 2019, 05:30:52 PM »
New York state law has a few provisions governing the collection of sales tax on coupon-discounted items

What is the source for this?

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Re: Letitia James harassing B&H
« Reply #16 on: November 14, 2019, 05:36:15 PM »
?

Why are you cutting out the first half of the sentence?
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Re: Letitia James harassing B&H
« Reply #17 on: November 14, 2019, 05:36:58 PM »
What is the source for this?
It is a quote from where YOU linked to. Did you read it?
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Re: Letitia James harassing B&H
« Reply #18 on: November 14, 2019, 05:42:12 PM »
It is a quote from where YOU linked to. Did you read it?

Ok, I think i confused myself by bringing that case into this.

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Re: Letitia James harassing B&H
« Reply #19 on: November 14, 2019, 06:52:36 PM »
This is what happens when a Deblasio prodigy gets too much power. Just wait, this is only the beginning.