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Re: Israel's good friend Obama...
« Reply #150 on: December 26, 2016, 01:21:27 AM »
 
Your issue is claiming he is a Muslim and that is why he did it. No mater what religion you believe in you can't force that on anyone else. He chooses his religion not you.


Did anyone here try to force any religion on him? ???
On the contrary, being that he is Muslim, he has everyright be more pro Muslim if he chooses to. But if he is a muslim that hates Israel, dont masquerade for  nearly 8 years to be a friend of Isreal.
 I dont think I can be any clearer with you.  Lets see if you can say, "i get your point now".

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Re: Israel's good friend Obama...
« Reply #151 on: December 26, 2016, 01:27:42 AM »
Bibi believes that coming out so strong against Obama will create pressure on Obama not to continue down this path, from both sides of the isle. ( If he's correct is something else..)
that could be one possibility.
Although IMHO it is simply for his own political sake to show Israel that it's Obama's fault and he will stand up for israel. Etc.
Bibi is an excellent politician.

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Re: Israel's good friend Obama...
« Reply #152 on: December 26, 2016, 01:35:00 AM »
Did anyone here try to force any religion on him? ???
On the contrary, being that he is Muslim, he has everyright be more pro Muslim if he chooses to. But if he is a muslim that hates Israel, dont masquerade for  nearly 8 years to be a friend of Isreal.
 I dont think I can be any clearer with you.  Lets see if you can say, "i get your point now".
I get your point that you feel he is a fraud when it comes to Israel.
You claimed he was born Muslum (religion) which is not true. You are forcing that religion on him and it doesn't work that way.
I on the other hand understand why he chose to mistreat Israel, being that he was born an American (Nationality),Muslim (Religion). 
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Re: Israel's good friend Obama...
« Reply #153 on: December 26, 2016, 01:35:51 AM »
Although IMHO it is simply for his own political sake to show Israel that it's Obama's fault and he will stand up for israel. Etc.
Bibi is an excellent politician.
Ding ding ding we have a winner!
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Re: Israel's good friend Obama...
« Reply #154 on: December 26, 2016, 01:48:26 AM »
I get your point that you feel he is a fraud when it comes to Israel.
You claimed he was born Muslum (religion) which is not true. You are forcing that religion on him and it doesn't work that way.
Even if he was born "athiest", he never liked Israel, and was just a fraud by pretending to have Israel's best interests in mind all these years, yet now when he or HRC dont need the Jewish votes in Florida, he showed his true colors.

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Re: Israel's good friend Obama...
« Reply #155 on: December 26, 2016, 01:53:58 AM »
Even if he was born "athiest", he never liked Israel, and was just a fraud by pretending to have Israel's best interests in mind all these years, yet now when he or HRC dont need the Jewish votes in Florida, he showed his true colors.
Fair enough and I just disagree. Will have to check the results to see if the Jewish vote changed anything.
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Re: Israel's good friend Obama...
« Reply #156 on: December 26, 2016, 01:58:31 AM »
Fair enough and I just disagree. Will have to check the results to see if the Jewish vote changed anything.
Which part are we disagreeing on?  You think he always liked Israel, and now he suddenly had a change of heart and liked to see the nations of the world gang up on Israel?

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Re: Israel's good friend Obama...
« Reply #157 on: December 26, 2016, 02:03:22 AM »
Which part are we disagreeing on?
Being a fraud. As I said before from day one he was against the settlements and for a two state solution. AFAIK he never tried to stop military aid to Israel. I guess he just wasn't Israel's BFF.  :)
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Re: Israel's good friend Obama...
« Reply #158 on: December 26, 2016, 02:07:30 AM »
Being a fraud. As I said before from day one he was against the settlements and for a two state solution. AFAIK he never tried to stop military aid to Israel. I guess he just wasn't Israel's BFF.  :)
I agree with you that he felt that way since day one.
He just pretended otherwise all these years, and now he was at liberty to show his true face, since he wasnt afraid of possible election consequences for himself or HRC.

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Re: Israel's good friend Obama...
« Reply #159 on: December 26, 2016, 02:27:13 AM »
Wake up call. Obama talks to more Jews than to Muslims. He doesn't hate Israel. He isn't a Muslim. He's just a Liberal which means that he believes (and has probably confirmed by talking to Liberal Jews) that you can be for pre-1967 borders and still be a "friend" of Israel. He doesn't think he stabbed Israel in the back. Sure, he knows Netenyahu doesn't like what he did but he considers Netenyahu the Israeli equivalent of a Republican, in other words, he has little regard for his opinion.

In short, you are reading way too much into it. He doesn't think like you think and his actions don't mean what you think they mean.

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Re: Israel's good friend Obama...
« Reply #160 on: December 26, 2016, 02:27:18 AM »
Politicians have to be politicians which includes playing political games. In principle, however, I agree with Bibi.
Whether or not the sttlements are in fact wrong can be debated, but there is a reason the US has not never acted in this manner. Throughout GOP and democratic presidents.

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Re: Israel's good friend Obama...
« Reply #161 on: December 26, 2016, 02:28:44 AM »
Wake up call. Obama talks to more Jews than to Muslims. He doesn't hate Israel. He isn't a Muslim. He's just a Liberal which means that he believes (and has probably confirmed by talking to Liberal Jews) that you can be for pre-1967 borders and still be a "friend" of Israel. He doesn't think he stabbed Israel in the back. Sure, he knows Netenyahu doesn't like what he did but he considers Netenyahu the Israeli equivalent of a Republican, in other words, he has little regard for his opinion.

In short, you are reading way too much into it. He doesn't think like you think and his actions don't mean what you think they mean.
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All he has to do is look back at US policy on Israel and see that this was never done. Then he can go look and see why it's been that way. Basic logic. You don't need to be a president to figure that out.

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Re: Israel's good friend Obama...
« Reply #162 on: December 26, 2016, 02:31:42 AM »
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All he has to do is look back at US policy on Israel and see that this was never done. Then he can go look and see why it's been that way. Basic logic. You don't need to be a president to figure that out.

Again, he doesn't think it's anti-Israel. He likes to consider himself a guy who got things done that others couldn't. He sees this as the same as socialized medicine and gay marriage. No particular anti-Semitism involved. Just Liberalism and a big ego.

All I'm saying is don't take it personal.

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Re: Israel's good friend Obama...
« Reply #163 on: December 26, 2016, 02:40:49 AM »
Again, he doesn't think it's anti-Israel. He likes to consider himself a guy who got things done that others couldn't. He sees this as the same as socialized medicine and gay marriage. No particular anti-Semitism involved. Just Liberalism and a big ego.

All I'm saying is don't take it personal.
According to you why wasn't this done throughout his presidency? Because he wasn't ready to do the "right thing" and take the heat. Moreover he won't accomplish anything in the next 26 days. it's all about legacy...

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Re: Israel's good friend Obama...
« Reply #164 on: December 26, 2016, 02:45:36 AM »
According to you why wasn't this done throughout his presidency? Because he wasn't ready to do the "right thing" and take the heat. Moreover he won't accomplish anything in the next 26 days. it's all about legacy...

Your last sentence summed it up. Correct. And that was my point as well.