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Re: Israel's good friend Obama...
« Reply #210 on: December 26, 2016, 11:04:23 AM »
What percentage of Israeli citizens approve of a two state solution?
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Re: Israel's good friend Obama...
« Reply #211 on: December 26, 2016, 11:11:12 AM »
What percentage of Israeli citizens approve of a two state solution?
I am pretty sure that polls place it at around 65% as long as it is negotiated and not imposed. That is Bibi's public position as well.
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Re: Israel's good friend Obama...
« Reply #212 on: December 26, 2016, 11:14:33 AM »
What percentage of Israeli citizens approve of a two state solution?

I'm not sure of the numbers, but such statistics would have to be taken with a grain of salt, at the very least. The results would be skewed heavily on exactly how the question was asked. For example, There would be many who would love for there to be peace between two states side by side, they just don't believe that is possible under the Palestinian leadership. So are they in favor of two states? Yes. Are they in favor of two states right now? No. Do they believe Two states is possible in the near future? Probably not.
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Re: Israel's good friend Obama...
« Reply #213 on: December 26, 2016, 11:24:31 AM »
What percentage of Israeli citizens approve of a two state solution?

Anecdotally, I have left wing relatives who were very much in favor of Oslo, land for peace, two states, the whole 9 yards.

They live on a kibbutz in the South, and after the disengagement found themselves just meters from the border. Hamas terrorists came out of a tunnel that was practically in their backyard. 

Suffice to say they no longer believe Israel can negotiate a deal with the Palestinians, not with their kids' playground under concrete, and the extremely real threat of being killed in their sleep.

But *ideally,* do they believe in a two state solution? Yes.
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Re: Israel's good friend Obama...
« Reply #214 on: December 26, 2016, 12:31:37 PM »
Anecdotally, I have left wing relatives who were very much in favor of Oslo, land for peace, two states, the whole 9 yards.

They live on a kibbutz in the South, and after the disengagement found themselves just meters from the border. Hamas terrorists came out of a tunnel that was practically in their backyard. 

Suffice to say they no longer believe Israel can negotiate a deal with the Palestinians, not with their kids' playground under concrete, and the extremely real threat of being killed in their sleep.

But *ideally,* do they believe in a two state solution? Yes.
well put.
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Re: Israel's good friend Obama...
« Reply #215 on: December 26, 2016, 12:38:48 PM »
well put.
Left wingers who finally realize that their view of how the world should work doesn't actually work.
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Re: Israel's good friend Obama...
« Reply #216 on: December 26, 2016, 12:41:37 PM »
Unless I am reading it wrong there is nothing in the resolution about sanctions or punitive damages.  So it is basically symbolic in nature. Best for Bibi to let this go for now and wait for the new guy.
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Re: Israel's good friend Obama...
« Reply #217 on: December 26, 2016, 12:53:54 PM »
Unless I am reading it wrong there is nothing in the resolution about sanctions or punitive damages.  So it is basically symbolic in nature. Best for Bibi to let this go for now and wait for the new guy.

It changes the law which means that Israel soldiers, government officials and civilians who happen to live in the homes that they were driven out of in 49, can be prosecuted by the ICC.

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Re: Israel's good friend Obama...
« Reply #218 on: December 26, 2016, 12:55:01 PM »
Unless I am reading it wrong there is nothing in the resolution about sanctions or punitive damages.  So it is basically symbolic in nature. Best for Bibi to let this go for now and wait for the new guy.
@JTZ, I'm shocked how an intelligent man like you, can make such a clueless comment

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Re: Israel's good friend Obama...
« Reply #219 on: December 26, 2016, 12:59:16 PM »
It changes the law which means that Israel soldiers, government officials and civilians who happen to live in the homes that they were driven out of in 49, can be prosecuted by the ICC.
@JTZ, I'm shocked how an intelligent man like you, can make such a clueless comment
Maybe it is because I look at the UN as a joke.
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Re: Israel's good friend Obama...
« Reply #220 on: December 26, 2016, 01:01:27 PM »
Maybe it is because I look at the UN as a joke.

Its all fun and games until someone gets hurt...

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Re: Israel's good friend Obama...
« Reply #221 on: December 26, 2016, 01:06:59 PM »
Its all fun and games until someone gets hurt...
It case you haven't seen some of my comments over the years Israel is the one who decides their own faith in these situations. Not the US or the UN. To many believe because you take an opposing view on a single item that makes you anti something.
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Re: Israel's good friend Obama...
« Reply #222 on: December 26, 2016, 01:11:56 PM »
Just Liberalism and a big ego.

Aren't those two the same thing? :D



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Re: Israel's good friend Obama...
« Reply #223 on: December 26, 2016, 01:14:45 PM »
Maybe it is because I look at the UN as a joke.
The one and only time there is influence is when it is against Israel. Then all the murderous dictators complain that a civilian may have been killed when they bombed a weapons cache.
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Re: Israel's good friend Obama...
« Reply #224 on: December 26, 2016, 02:26:58 PM »
Reminds me of this one from a few years ago