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Re: Israel's good friend Obama...
« Reply #90 on: December 25, 2016, 01:23:27 PM »


And therefore what?
Promotes, fuels, and spreads the growth of hate. Has economic repercussions.

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Re: Israel's good friend Obama...
« Reply #92 on: December 25, 2016, 02:01:44 PM »


That's fair.  But I don't believe it will have any bearing on any concessions Israel may make if and when peace is approached.
Is bearing may be limited on Israeli concessions but may have bearing on Palestinian concessions. It certainly puts them in a weaker position going into negotiations which is the entire reason the Palestinians wanted this.

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Re: Israel's good friend Obama...
« Reply #94 on: December 25, 2016, 03:10:06 PM »
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/is-obama-preparing-a-parting-shot-at-israel/2016/10/27/770e7fb6-9c79-11e6-b3c9-f662adaa0048_story.html?utm_term=.819cad87427f
http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/10/07/trump-should-challenge-clinton-on-obamas-terrible-two-state-solution-plan-debate-israel-palestine-middle-east/

Is he being alarmist or is this a legit concern?

Which of the two candidates would be more likely to uphold what he does or fight against it? Is there anything either of them could possibly do?

What else can Obama possibly do after the election?


First, Obama can't "do" anything, so yes, this is simply alarmist. He can try to place pressure much like Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter, but it's unlikely to affect anything -- not this late in his term anyway.

Hillary will likely take a middle-road, much like Obama and Bill Clinton.

With Trump, I would be very concerned. He cancelled a trip to Israel because he didn't like something that Netanyahu said. He also hesitated to say that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel, and only "clarified" his stance once under pressure. Despite his rants on Twitter about he supports Israel, he simply can't be trusted.
Why can't he do what the article says by allowing a two state through the security council? He can do that without congress.


I would be very surprised if that happened. He will likely focus on social justice issues as he has been doing all along.
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Re: Israel's good friend Obama...
« Reply #95 on: December 25, 2016, 10:31:42 PM »
Or maybe you need some Jewish-pride, and a reality-check yourself. Israel has been standing up to the whole world for nearly 70 years now. We might be small in number, or in GDP, but that isn't where our power comes from :)
Let's talk about Bibi for a second. A mechalel shabbos befarhesya misyavenik..
If I was an average gentile I would think he's deranged. At this point he doesn't have a single friend in the world. Yet he is still defiant, and has the chutzpah to "lecture" the world... I honestly think some humility is in order.

Even ABC says he has basically nothing at all to rely on at this time. I agree that he has been humbled. But where is the humility?

This is an extremely dangerous situation.


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Re: Israel's good friend Obama...
« Reply #96 on: December 25, 2016, 10:46:34 PM »
This is an extremely dangerous situation.
Not sure why you would think that. He is putting his hopes in such an upstanding and stable person.
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Re: Israel's good friend Obama...
« Reply #97 on: December 25, 2016, 10:47:41 PM »
Not sure why you would think that. He is putting his hopes in such an upstanding and stable person.
LOL and it's still a couple of week untill the savior arrives..  lots can happen gd forbid.

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Re: Israel's good friend Obama...
« Reply #98 on: December 25, 2016, 10:48:57 PM »
Not sure why you would think that. He is putting his hopes in such an upstanding and stable person.
At least even according to you there's a chance Trump will do good even though it may depend on what side of the bed be wakes up on, with Hussein there was never a chance.


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Re: Israel's good friend Obama...
« Reply #99 on: December 25, 2016, 10:53:26 PM »
LOL and it's still a couple of week untill the savior arrives.. 
Funny you should use the word "savior". The way some here worship him I was thinking of another word.
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Re: Israel's good friend Obama...
« Reply #100 on: December 25, 2016, 10:59:09 PM »
If it is true that the US created the resolution as some are claiming this may only be a sign of things to come.
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Re: Israel's good friend Obama...
« Reply #101 on: December 25, 2016, 11:01:17 PM »
If it is true that the US created the resolution as some are claiming this may only be a sign of things to come.
Of course it is true. It was reported by FOX and they have never been wrong. Oh wait ...  :)
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Re: Israel's good friend Obama...
« Reply #102 on: December 25, 2016, 11:02:37 PM »
Of course it is true. It was reported by FOX and they have never been wrong. Oh wait ...  :)
That is not something you heard from me.
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Re: Israel's good friend Obama...
« Reply #103 on: December 25, 2016, 11:03:41 PM »
this may only be a sign of things to come.
Care to elaborate on this part ?

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Re: Israel's good friend Obama...
« Reply #104 on: December 25, 2016, 11:05:32 PM »
"LESS IS MORE" It is the cumulative effect that kills deals!!! How many times do I have to say this?  >:(