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Re: Israel's good friend Obama...
« Reply #200 on: December 26, 2016, 10:26:55 AM »
When you say Jewish/Muslim law are you meaning religious law or am I missing something?
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Re: Israel's good friend Obama...
« Reply #201 on: December 26, 2016, 10:28:15 AM »
But then he's giving BO more fuel to pass what he can get through in the next 25 days....
He's a lame duck. He can't pass any kind of meaningful law at this point.
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Re: Israel's good friend Obama...
« Reply #202 on: December 26, 2016, 10:29:56 AM »
He's a lame duck. He can't pass any kind of meaningful law at this point.

Not in the US but UN resolutions.

Not that those mean anything anyway but he can take what he did Friday and multiply it. Everyone is up in arms about that so imagine what their reaction could be if they passed a resolution recognizing a Palestinian state. Or who knows.

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Re: Israel's good friend Obama...
« Reply #203 on: December 26, 2016, 10:30:30 AM »
religious law
Like I said you can't force your religion on anyone. Religion is a belief. That is something you choose.
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Re: Israel's good friend Obama...
« Reply #204 on: December 26, 2016, 10:32:02 AM »
Not that those mean anything anyway but he can take what he did Friday and multiply it. Everyone is up in arms about that so imagine what their reaction could be if they passed a resolution recognizing a Palestinian state. Or who knows.
At least someone gets it.
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Re: Israel's good friend Obama...
« Reply #206 on: December 26, 2016, 10:36:10 AM »
Not in the US but UN resolutions.

Not that those mean anything anyway but he can take what he did Friday and multiply it. Everyone is up in arms about that so imagine what their reaction could be if they passed a resolution recognizing a Palestinian state. Or who knows.
Agree. I have a feeling he is trying to ratchet up the pressure already from this hoping to prevent anything more.
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Re: Israel's good friend Obama...
« Reply #207 on: December 26, 2016, 10:41:26 AM »
Like I said you can't force your religion on anyone. Religion is a belief. That is something you choose.

Whether you like it or not, there are sets of laws that govern each religion. Whether the person chooses to believe or follow or worship or break those laws is irrelevant. They exist with or without his/her belief. Anyone can believe anything they want but Islamic Law dictates whether you are born Muslim. Whether he or you choose to believe he is or not later on in life, irrelevant. Let him choose not to be Muslim, for all it's worth, or you can choose for him, but under Islamic Law, he may be Muslim. So he can preach I am not a Muslim, and he scream it from a Church or Synagogue, but the reality is, we have to check Islamic Law and whether it dictates whether he was born Muslim and whether he could denounce it later. Let him convert to whatever he wants and not practice anything or everything. Irrelevant to whether he was born Muslim.

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Re: Israel's good friend Obama...
« Reply #208 on: December 26, 2016, 10:47:45 AM »
Whether you like it or not, there are sets of laws that govern each religion. Whether the person chooses to believe or follow or worship or break those laws is irrelevant.
You say this because you believe in your religion. This is what your religion teaches you. It is meaningless to anyone who does not follow your religion. We went off the deep end with this one so you can have the last say as I am done.
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Re: Israel's good friend Obama...
« Reply #209 on: December 26, 2016, 10:58:27 AM »
You say this because you believe in your religion. This is what your religion teaches you. It is meaningless to anyone who does not follow your religion. We went off the deep end with this one so you can have the last say as I am done.

Religion aside, why is it so ludicrous to believe that "Law governs the people, whether you like it or not?" Is that a religious belief? I wasn't aware that putting the Law above yourself is a religious idea. To each their own, though I hope for society's sake, you, along with everyone else, put (insert country here) Law on top, whether you choose to believe it or not.

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Re: Israel's good friend Obama...
« Reply #210 on: December 26, 2016, 11:04:23 AM »
What percentage of Israeli citizens approve of a two state solution?
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Re: Israel's good friend Obama...
« Reply #211 on: December 26, 2016, 11:11:12 AM »
What percentage of Israeli citizens approve of a two state solution?
I am pretty sure that polls place it at around 65% as long as it is negotiated and not imposed. That is Bibi's public position as well.
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Re: Israel's good friend Obama...
« Reply #212 on: December 26, 2016, 11:14:33 AM »
What percentage of Israeli citizens approve of a two state solution?

I'm not sure of the numbers, but such statistics would have to be taken with a grain of salt, at the very least. The results would be skewed heavily on exactly how the question was asked. For example, There would be many who would love for there to be peace between two states side by side, they just don't believe that is possible under the Palestinian leadership. So are they in favor of two states? Yes. Are they in favor of two states right now? No. Do they believe Two states is possible in the near future? Probably not.

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Re: Israel's good friend Obama...
« Reply #213 on: December 26, 2016, 11:24:31 AM »
What percentage of Israeli citizens approve of a two state solution?

Anecdotally, I have left wing relatives who were very much in favor of Oslo, land for peace, two states, the whole 9 yards.

They live on a kibbutz in the South, and after the disengagement found themselves just meters from the border. Hamas terrorists came out of a tunnel that was practically in their backyard. 

Suffice to say they no longer believe Israel can negotiate a deal with the Palestinians, not with their kids' playground under concrete, and the extremely real threat of being killed in their sleep.

But *ideally,* do they believe in a two state solution? Yes.

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Re: Israel's good friend Obama...
« Reply #214 on: December 26, 2016, 12:31:37 PM »
Anecdotally, I have left wing relatives who were very much in favor of Oslo, land for peace, two states, the whole 9 yards.

They live on a kibbutz in the South, and after the disengagement found themselves just meters from the border. Hamas terrorists came out of a tunnel that was practically in their backyard. 

Suffice to say they no longer believe Israel can negotiate a deal with the Palestinians, not with their kids' playground under concrete, and the extremely real threat of being killed in their sleep.

But *ideally,* do they believe in a two state solution? Yes.
well put.
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Re: Israel's good friend Obama...
« Reply #215 on: December 26, 2016, 12:38:48 PM »
well put.
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Re: Israel's good friend Obama...
« Reply #216 on: December 26, 2016, 12:41:37 PM »
Unless I am reading it wrong there is nothing in the resolution about sanctions or punitive damages.  So it is basically symbolic in nature. Best for Bibi to let this go for now and wait for the new guy.
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Re: Israel's good friend Obama...
« Reply #217 on: December 26, 2016, 12:53:54 PM »
Unless I am reading it wrong there is nothing in the resolution about sanctions or punitive damages.  So it is basically symbolic in nature. Best for Bibi to let this go for now and wait for the new guy.

It changes the law which means that Israel soldiers, government officials and civilians who happen to live in the homes that they were driven out of in 49, can be prosecuted by the ICC.

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Re: Israel's good friend Obama...
« Reply #218 on: December 26, 2016, 12:55:01 PM »
Unless I am reading it wrong there is nothing in the resolution about sanctions or punitive damages.  So it is basically symbolic in nature. Best for Bibi to let this go for now and wait for the new guy.
@JTZ, I'm shocked how an intelligent man like you, can make such a clueless comment

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Re: Israel's good friend Obama...
« Reply #219 on: December 26, 2016, 12:59:16 PM »
It changes the law which means that Israel soldiers, government officials and civilians who happen to live in the homes that they were driven out of in 49, can be prosecuted by the ICC.
@JTZ, I'm shocked how an intelligent man like you, can make such a clueless comment
Maybe it is because I look at the UN as a joke.
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