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Re: Israel's good friend Obama...
« Reply #320 on: December 27, 2016, 11:40:16 AM »
That's what this thread should be about instead of trashing BO. Even if I wanted to play devils advocate there is no valid response.
Any UN resolution needs to be viewed in the context that they are always very busy about the "settlements" while paying lip service at best to these concerns.
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Re: Israel's good friend Obama...
« Reply #321 on: December 27, 2016, 11:42:01 AM »
So there never will be a land for peace deal?

Land concessions? In all likelihood, there will be, sadly. Land for peace? No. It has been tried, and it has not led to peace.

Palestinians have never wanted that to begin with. Their stated goal is the destruction of Israel in its entirety. This is not some hard line right wing view, this is taught by the "moderate" Palestinian Authority to their kids, it is in the charter of "democratically" elected Hamas, and I can go on and on. Any negotiations and agreements were followed up by speeches in Arabic to Palestinians - often on the very same day - saying this was just a step to eradicating Israel.

Moderate leaders have still not even taken the step to affirm Israel's right to exist. By definition, you need two sides to make peace.

I could go on and on.

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Re: Israel's good friend Obama...
« Reply #322 on: December 27, 2016, 11:47:57 AM »
So there never will be a land for peace deal?
One of the biggest hinderances to any land for peace deal is a resolution like this one. When the palestinian street is made to believe that pre-67 borders are what the world including the US is supporting then why would they agree to less than that. It needs to be understood that the Palestinian politicians are going to take the resolution and tout it regardless of any speech by Samantha Powers who no Palestinian has even heard of. This is more harmful to peace than any settlement.
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Re: Israel's good friend Obama...
« Reply #324 on: December 27, 2016, 11:54:51 AM »
That's what this thread should be about instead of trashing BO. Even if I wanted to play devils advocate there is no valid response.

Can you agree that expecting Israel to offer consessions (stopping building) for the "right" to negotiate with such a partner is anti-Israel?

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Re: Israel's good friend Obama...
« Reply #326 on: December 27, 2016, 12:15:50 PM »
http://www.wsj.com/articles/obamas-fitting-finish-1482795381
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Now the administration is likely being deceptive about last week’s U.N. vote, claiming it did not promote, craft or orchestrate a resolution that treats the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem’s Old City as a settlement in illegally occupied territory. Yet in November, John Kerry had a long talk on the subject with the foreign minister of New Zealand, one of the resolution’s sponsors.
“One of the closed-door discussions between United States Secretary of State John Kerry and the New Zealand government today was a potential resolution by the United Nations Security Council on a two-state solution for the Israel-Palestine conflict,” the New Zealand Herald reported last month. “‘It is a conversation we are engaged in deeply and we’ve spent some time talking to Secretary Kerry about where the U.S. might go on this,’” the paper added, quoting Foreign Minister Murray McCully.
The Israelis claim to have more evidence along these lines. If so, it means the administration no longer bothers to lie convincingly.
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Re: Israel's good friend Obama...
« Reply #327 on: December 27, 2016, 12:21:23 PM »
Can you agree that expecting Israel to offer consessions (stopping building) for the "right" to negotiate with such a partner is anti-Israel?
No. What I will say if I was born and raised in Israel there is not a chance in h*ll I would agree to a two state solution. 
"LESS IS MORE" It is the cumulative effect that kills deals!!! How many times do I have to say this?  >:(

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Re: Israel's good friend Obama...
« Reply #328 on: December 27, 2016, 12:34:33 PM »
2 state solution has 2 issues. The Arab residents of Israel won't agree to it and it's a danger to the Israeli residents of Israel.
1 state for 2 people won't work because you either be apartheid and not allow the Arab residents full voting rights or the Arabs will end up electing more and more of the Knesset.

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Re: Israel's good friend Obama...
« Reply #329 on: December 27, 2016, 12:50:27 PM »
No. What I will say if I was born and raised in Israel there is not a chance in h*ll I would agree to a two state solution.

How do you define anti-Israel?

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Re: Israel's good friend Obama...
« Reply #331 on: December 27, 2016, 03:07:55 PM »
How do you define anti-Israel?
Think I will skip this as we don't need more racist comments from me.  ;)
"LESS IS MORE" It is the cumulative effect that kills deals!!! How many times do I have to say this?  >:(

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Re: Israel's good friend Obama...
« Reply #332 on: December 27, 2016, 04:30:47 PM »
Think I will skip this as we don't need more racist comments from me.  ;)

I think without defining what anti-Israel means, this conversation is not going to go anywhere (not that after we define it, it will, but...)

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Re: Israel's good friend Obama...
« Reply #333 on: December 27, 2016, 05:04:14 PM »
I think without defining what anti-Israel means, this conversation is not going to go anywhere (not that after we define it, it will, but...)
Isn't it all subjective?
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Re: Israel's good friend Obama...
« Reply #335 on: December 27, 2016, 06:18:57 PM »

How many analogies can they fit into one political cartoon?
If you don't care why would you comment?
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Re: Israel's good friend Obama...
« Reply #336 on: December 27, 2016, 06:19:53 PM »
How many analogies can they fit into one political cartoon?
infinite
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Re: Israel's good friend Obama...
« Reply #337 on: December 27, 2016, 10:46:40 PM »
http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/12/26/charles-krauthammer-israel-resolution-united-nations-was-us-operation-all-way
The more I listen to the video, the more I feel that it might actually be better (barring any possible sanctions) that they not only made the settlements illegal, but also included everything from the Jewish Quarter to the Kosel. This way, Trump with Congress can just go ballistic on the U.N. and make radical changes there, by pointing out how crazy they are for saying the Jews holiest site is OCCUPIED territory.

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Re: Israel's good friend Obama...
« Reply #338 on: December 27, 2016, 11:21:06 PM »
What can Trump do at this point?

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Re: Israel's good friend Obama...
« Reply #339 on: December 27, 2016, 11:25:36 PM »
And now we have a 3 state solution...

Reminds me of the trichitza :D

On a serious note, I doubt Egypt and Jordan want those territories back. The status quo works for them; the various "Palestinian" factions continue their terrorist war of attrition against Israel, and Egypt and Jordan pretend they don't approve of it and live peacefully alongside Israel.
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