Author Topic: I would avoid Aeroflot & Connecting in Moscow. Would you? (Read 13992 times)

Dan · « **Reply #40 on:** December 23, 2019, 07:01:43 PM »

Of course not, that's why you do it when it's a case that gets under your skin.

For some people that's an every day occurrence. For myself posting publicly, I think this is a first.

ExGingi · « **Reply #41 on:** December 23, 2019, 07:05:44 PM »

Quote from: Dan on December 23, 2019, 06:56:29 PM

A boycott isn't just about making a difference (though SU killing some TLV frequencies would be a win), it's about taking a principled stand for what's right.

They don't have much competition on that route. And if they feel it's important enough not to concede, they'll pay the economic price even if they have to fly half empty or at cut throat prices.

As for principled stand, did you ever boycott Amazon over Bezos funding a campaign to legalize same-sex marriage in Washington state? Do you boycott KIND over what Lubetzky funds with his money?

I personally have no problem with AEROFLOT (though connecting in Moscow without an entry visa is always a risk of unpleasant things happening), Amazon is too big and easy to use for me to boycott (and no one would even know), but I refuse to buy any KIND bars, profits of which fund projects that try to undermine Jewish existential interests.

CountValentine · « **Reply #42 on:** December 23, 2019, 07:15:32 PM »

Quote from: ExGingi on December 23, 2019, 07:05:44 PM

As for principled stand, did you ever boycott Amazon over Bezos funding a campaign to legalize same-sex marriage in Washington state? Do you boycott KIND over what Lubetzky funds with his money?

Isn't better to stand up for one principal instead of none?

ExGingi · « **Reply #43 on:** December 23, 2019, 07:19:57 PM »

Quote from: CountValentine on December 23, 2019, 07:15:32 PM

Isn't better to stand up for one principal instead of none?

What is the principle? Are you boycotting China or Chinese owned enterprises? Saudi? Or a host of other nations that would do similar or worse things if it's in their interest and they feel they are strong enough to get away with it?

Also, is the principle important enough to stand in the way of an amicable outcome? These types of regimes don’t respond well to overt attempts at humiliating them. See the article I posted from Chabad.org in the DDMS comments.

CountValentine · « **Reply #44 on:** December 23, 2019, 07:29:46 PM »

Quote from: ExGingi on December 23, 2019, 07:19:57 PM

What is the principle? Are you boycotting China or Chinese owned enterprises? Saudi? Or a host of other nations that would do similar or worse things if it's in their interest and they feel they are strong enough to get away with it?

Also, is the principle important enough to stand in the way of an amicable outcome? These types of regimes don’t respond well to overt attempts at humiliating them. See the article I posted from Chabad.org in the DDMS comments.

I will let Dan answer what principal he is standing up for.
My point is no one can stand up for every wrong they see. Better to stand up for one than none at all. Even if the only good thing that comes out of this is awareness, that is a positive.

ExGingi · « **Reply #45 on:** December 23, 2019, 08:28:41 PM »

Quote from: CountValentine on December 23, 2019, 07:29:46 PM

I will let Dan answer what principal he is standing up for.
My point is no one can stand up for every wrong they see. Better to stand up for one than none at all. Even if the only good thing that comes out of this is awareness, that is a positive.

Agreed on all fronts. @Dan can say what principle he's standing up for if he wishes to, but he doesn't have to. It's his domain and we are all guests. And awareness might be good if brought properly.

He did hint that this one might have gotten "under his skin", though I am not sure why more than others. And it is precisely this "getting under the skin" feeling that might be clouding best judgment which indicates that standing up for a principle could actually stand in the way of the most favorable outcome.

jose34 · « **Reply #46 on:** December 24, 2019, 09:47:33 AM »

https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/israel-news/1813501/again-dozens-of-israelis-detained-in-moscow-airport.html

ExGingi · « **Reply #47 on:** December 24, 2019, 01:34:30 PM »

Quote from: jose34 on December 24, 2019, 09:47:33 AM

https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/israel-news/1813501/again-dozens-of-israelis-detained-in-moscow-airport.html

That's not Aeroflot. Aeroflot flies SVO-TLV not DME-TLV.

Those aren't connecting passengers.

davidrotts63 · « **Reply #48 on:** December 24, 2019, 01:37:02 PM »

Quote from: ExGingi on December 24, 2019, 01:34:30 PM

That's not Aeroflot. Aeroflot flies SVO-TLV not DMO-TLV.

Those aren't connecting passengers.

DME. It says its Elal, which does fly that route.

ExGingi · « **Reply #49 on:** December 24, 2019, 01:54:26 PM »

Quote from: davidrotts63 on December 24, 2019, 01:37:02 PM

DME. It says its Elal, which does fly that route.

Sorry. My typo. DME it is, and obviously ELAL passengers flying there aren't likely to have any destination outside of Russia (or for that matter outside of Moscow).

ExGingi · « **Reply #50 on:** December 27, 2019, 10:03:11 AM »

Just a thought.

Maybe this is all about Russian meddling with Israeli elections. Russia playing tough and eventually just before the election Netanyahu manages to get a major breakthrough.

ExGingi · « **Reply #51 on:** January 26, 2020, 09:19:42 AM »

In classic Israeli style of doing things, with everyone expecting Putin to come to Israel with positive news about this last week, it turns out that he can't pardon her (yet) because she never formally requested to be pardoned.

davidrotts63 · « **Reply #52 on:** January 26, 2020, 09:37:15 AM »

Quote from: ExGingi on January 26, 2020, 09:19:42 AM

In classic Israeli style of doing things, with everyone expecting Putin to come to Israel with positive news about this last week, it turns out that he can't pardon her (yet) because she never formally requested to be pardoned.

Ridiculous. The most Israeli thing ever.

ExGingi · « **Reply #53 on:** January 27, 2020, 12:41:42 PM »

News comes that Pardon committee unanimously recommended to pardon her. Needs to go through some regional governor before it gets to Putin. In her pardon request she reportedly denied any wrongdoing.

Kobe Bryant · « **Reply #54 on:** January 28, 2020, 07:59:11 PM »

Quote from: ExGingi on January 27, 2020, 12:41:42 PM

News comes that Pardon committee unanimously recommended to pardon her. Needs to go through some regional governor before it gets to Putin. In her pardon request she reportedly denied any wrongdoing.

Reportedly pardoned by governor