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Re: Spreading Fake News Via Whatsapp and Social Media
« Reply #40 on: December 24, 2019, 04:42:20 PM »
BDE! I feel terrible for this family and i hope they will have a lot of strength to be able to get over yet another loss in their family.

In regard to the fake news issue. With full respect, obviously people are curious. We are humans and when something seems weird we want to find out what happened. Is it right? absolutely not. It's not our privilege to know exactly what happened. but do hidden stories peak the interest? yes.  that's why people are up with it. To say that It's not understandable is a bit naive.

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Re: Spreading Fake News Via Whatsapp and Social Media
« Reply #41 on: December 24, 2019, 04:50:18 PM »
BDE! I feel terrible for this family and i hope they will have a lot of strength to be able to get over yet another loss in their family.

In regard to the fake news issue. With full respect, obviously people are curious. We are humans and when something seems weird we want to find out what happened. Is it right? absolutely not. It's not our privilege to know exactly what happened. but do hidden stories peak the interest? yes.  that's why people are up with it. To say that It's not understandable is a bit naive.
Curiosity is one thing. It's about what you do with that curiosity. I understand the curiosity, I don't understand the verbal diarrhea that accompanies it.
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Re: Spreading Fake News Via Whatsapp and Social Media
« Reply #42 on: December 24, 2019, 04:53:24 PM »
For example, if the incident happened in Beachwood as opposed to Cleveland - is that material?
It's not material to us, but it was brought up in the context that it should've been material to those "news" outlets who connected these stories.

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Re: Spreading Fake News Via Whatsapp and Social Media
« Reply #43 on: December 24, 2019, 04:55:52 PM »
Agreed, but some details are more material than others. For example, if the incident happened in Beachwood as opposed to Cleveland - is that material? How about compared to some of the other fake news regarding shootings, such as the recent monsey shooting that was immediately denounced as being a "hate crime?"
The whole fake news story going around was based on a real news article of a murder in Cleveland proper last night, with the location being Cleveland’s Clark-Fulton neighborhood, and some Jewish News sites decided to link the 2 cases.

The link was Cleveland and Cleveland, but anyone that knows Cleveland knows that NO Jews live in the Clark-Fulton neighborhood, https://www.cleveland.com/crime/2019/12/man-killed-woman-injured-in-shooting-in-clevelands-clark-fulton-neighborhood.html

Background given, capiche? Can we move on now please?
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Re: Spreading Fake News Via Whatsapp and Social Media
« Reply #44 on: December 24, 2019, 05:36:59 PM »
Jim Hartnett:

*Israeli media has issued a false news release* that a Cleveland Chabad Rabbi was murdered last night. I confirmed with Cleveland Police Deputy Chief Harold Pretel Beachwood Police have issued a press release that they responded to a domestic situation on Timberlane last night with a deceased male. The cause of death was a (self-censoring). All occupants of the home were known to each other. There is no threat to the community.

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Re: Spreading Fake News Via Whatsapp and Social Media
« Reply #45 on: December 24, 2019, 05:39:33 PM »
Can we move the discussion part to another thread? @Dan @jj1000
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Re: Spreading Fake News Via Whatsapp and Social Media
« Reply #46 on: December 24, 2019, 05:41:39 PM »
Which thread? Nosy news? Fake news?
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Re: Spreading Fake News Via Whatsapp and Social Media
« Reply #47 on: December 24, 2019, 05:55:03 PM »
Which thread? Nosy news? Fake news?
Does not matter, just not in this thread.
This thread has done a good job of keeping itself on topic for the most part. Would like to see that continue.
Now I am adding to the problem so this will be my last post on it.
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Re: Spreading Fake News Via Whatsapp and Social Media
« Reply #48 on: December 24, 2019, 06:32:23 PM »
Which thread? Nosy news? Fake news?
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Re: Spreading Fake News Via Whatsapp and Social Media
« Reply #49 on: December 24, 2019, 06:35:23 PM »
Which thread? Nosy news? Fake news?
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Re: Spreading Fake News Via Whatsapp and Social Media
« Reply #50 on: December 24, 2019, 07:36:43 PM »
Yossi Bialo Z”L

People need to once in a while check in on their friends and offer help if needed. Sometimes people need to be proactive and sense if a friend needs help even if the friend does not ask. Don’t wait until it’s too late, and don’t assume “someone else” will help.

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Re: Spreading Fake News Via Whatsapp and Social Media
« Reply #51 on: December 24, 2019, 07:38:56 PM »
Why do people jump all over these things? At least a news agency just wants to break a story, but why do people care? A man is dead! It's terrible. It will change nothing if this guy was shot, or burned, or strangled, or hit by a car. There is no public safety concern. What more do we need to know? Imagine this was your family member c"v, would you want people scrambling for this info. Not to mention, there may be info involved that can be extremely shameful to the deceased or their family that definitely doesn't need to make it's rounds. Wish your condolences, and move on. Let the man rest in peace.

Sorry but we can’t have it both ways. Social media has turned us into something less than human beings. When what I ate in which restaurant and my latest vacation pics with the wife and or kids becomes everyone else’s business( including on DDF), I have taken what used to be a reshus hayachid, my private life, and deliberately turned it into a reshus harabim. And that creates a sense of entitlement- people feel that they have a right to know what is going on in a reshus harabim. We have taken מה טובו אהליך יעקב, the concept of privacy in our homes and lives that Klal Yisrael once excelled in and discarded it for social media, and the secular concept of putting everything out there in the reshus harabim. Well, that’s what people do in a reshus harabim. They rubberneck.

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Re: Spreading Fake News Via Whatsapp and Social Media
« Reply #52 on: December 24, 2019, 08:06:09 PM »
Sorry but we can’t have it both ways. Social media has turned us into something less than human beings. When what I ate in which restaurant and my latest vacation pics with the wife and or kids becomes everyone else’s business( including on DDF), I have taken what used to be a reshus hayachid, my private life, and deliberately turned it into a reshus harabim. And that creates a sense of entitlement- people feel that they have a right to know what is going on in a reshus harabim. We have taken מה טובו אהליך יעקב, the concept of privacy in our homes and lives that Klal Yisrael once excelled in and discarded it for social media, and the secular concept of putting everything out there in the reshus harabim. Well, that’s what people do in a reshus harabim. They rubberneck.
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Re: Spreading Fake News Via Whatsapp and Social Media
« Reply #53 on: December 24, 2019, 09:25:48 PM »
It's interesting how (relatively) calm DDF is. One would think there would be more chaos, given the relative annonymity that exists here. With Facebook, most people use their real name and picture.

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Re: Spreading Fake News Via Whatsapp and Social Media
« Reply #54 on: December 24, 2019, 09:33:03 PM »
It's interesting how (relatively) calm DDF is. One would think there would be more chaos, given the relative annonymity that exists here. With Facebook, most people use their real name and picture.
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Re: Spreading Fake News Via Whatsapp and Social Media
« Reply #55 on: December 24, 2019, 11:08:45 PM »
Sorry but we can’t have it both ways. Social media has turned us into something less than human beings. When what I ate in which restaurant and my latest vacation pics with the wife and or kids becomes everyone else’s business( including on DDF), I have taken what used to be a reshus hayachid, my private life, and deliberately turned it into a reshus harabim. And that creates a sense of entitlement- people feel that they have a right to know what is going on in a reshus harabim. We have taken מה טובו אהליך יעקב, the concept of privacy in our homes and lives that Klal Yisrael once excelled in and discarded it for social media, and the secular concept of putting everything out there in the reshus harabim. Well, that’s what people do in a reshus harabim. They rubberneck.

Yep, It's why I deleted Facebook. I don't have Twitter Instagram Snapchat or any other of these.

But sometimes certain stories can help us be wise.

I was a pioneer of legal firearm ownership and training in South Florida

Zalman Meyer-smith of CSO will tell you that I was the first person here calling out these security issues

So I think like we need to protect everybody's privacy but also knowing what's really going on can often help us be alert.

I'm not commenting about this particular case because I don't know anything and I'm friends with the family and even if I wasn't the case I still would not comment in protecting and respecting everybody's privacy.

I'm just saying overall sometimes we see certain situations and it's important that we get an honest and clear picture of what happened so we can address to the appropriate way on the other hand or other times it's a clear violation of a family's desirable privacy which is just somebody sheer curiosity violating it

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Re: Spreading Fake News Via Whatsapp and Social Media
« Reply #56 on: December 24, 2019, 11:10:41 PM »
Sorry but we can’t have it both ways. Social media has turned us into something less than human beings. When what I ate in which restaurant and my latest vacation pics with the wife and or kids becomes everyone else’s business( including on DDF), I have taken what used to be a reshus hayachid, my private life, and deliberately turned it into a reshus harabim. And that creates a sense of entitlement- people feel that they have a right to know what is going on in a reshus harabim. We have taken מה טובו אהליך יעקב, the concept of privacy in our homes and lives that Klal Yisrael once excelled in and discarded it for social media, and the secular concept of putting everything out there in the reshus harabim. Well, that’s what people do in a reshus harabim. They rubberneck.
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Re: Spreading Fake News Via Whatsapp and Social Media
« Reply #57 on: December 24, 2019, 11:16:09 PM »

But sometimes certain stories can help us be wise.

I'm just saying overall sometimes we see certain situations and it's important that we get an honest and clear picture of what happened so we can address to the appropriate way on the other hand or other times it's a clear violation of a family's desirable privacy which is just somebody sheer curiosity violating it
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Re: Spreading Fake News Via Whatsapp and Social Media
« Reply #58 on: December 24, 2019, 11:21:33 PM »


Sorry but we can’t have it both ways. Social media has turned us into something less than human beings. When what I ate in which restaurant and my latest vacation pics with the wife and or kids becomes everyone else’s business( including on DDF), I have taken what used to be a reshus hayachid, my private life, and deliberately turned it into a reshus harabim. And that creates a sense of entitlement- people feel that they have a right to know what is going on in a reshus harabim. We have taken מה טובו אהליך יעקב, the concept of privacy in our homes and lives that Klal Yisrael once excelled in and discarded it for social media, and the secular concept of putting everything out there in the reshus harabim. Well, that’s what people do in a reshus harabim. They rubberneck.

No. Not at all. It's sad that people let social media dictate their lives. My life dictates my social media. I don't post things that I wouldn't otherwise have told those individuals about. I don't connect with people I wouldn't have otherwise. Some of us aren't led by outside sources in life. As a matter of fact, I post more info on DDF, than on my social media, specifically because I'm "anonymous". Also, as I said previously, even if our nature has changed a bit, that doesn't mean your mouth (or fingers) need to display that change externally. As is for everything, there is a line you don't cross, regardless of human nature. I never asked for it both ways, and I stand by what I said.
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Re: Spreading Fake News Via Whatsapp and Social Media
« Reply #59 on: December 24, 2019, 11:21:49 PM »




I'm just saying overall sometimes we see certain situations and it's important that we get an honest and clear picture of what happened so we can address to the appropriate way on the other hand or other times it's a clear violation of a family's desirable privacy which is just somebody sheer curiosity violating it

Very true.

In some situations, once a rumor is spread, you can understand that people are scared and want to hear if it was some type of attack, especially so soon after Jersey City. That was my reaction. However, once we find out that it wasn't anything like that,  everyone should mind their own business. There is a clear difference between inquiring about a story and spreading stories.