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Q: Hi, I searched all over the internet for an active link of the Chase American Airlines credit card and couldn't find one. How did you guys manage to get this card?
A: Ha ha... There's (currently) no co-branded Chase AA credit card, this thread is discussing 'Chase Adverse Action'. As a general rule, AA refers to 'American Airlines', while A/A refers to 'Adverse Action'.

Q: What does Chase A/A look like? Can I do something to prevent that from happening? And once I'm hit, is there anything I can do to get back in the game?
A: To better address all the questions and concerns, we'll divide it in three sections:

1) What Are The Triggers?
2) What Happens?
3) How To Get Back

What Are The Triggers?

Basically, there are two possibilities that might trigger a Chase A/A:
Credit Related Risk
-Opening too many new cards in a short period of time, (even from other banks, and even being added as an additional user is considered as opening a new account, even a spike in your total CL even from being  additional user has been a trigger for many people - Dec 2013);
-A sudden excessive use of your cards;
-Maxing out your available credit limit.
-Buying large amounts of Chase GC (most people didn't have problems but lately some people are getting shut down for this).
Of course, there is no general rule with these things, it mostly varies by your particular credit file and worthiness.

Perk Abuse
-Transferring Ultimate Rewards points to someone else's account other than your spouse or domestic partner;
 both, the sender and the recipient, are at risk of A/A.
-Abuse of the 5% cashback bonus on the AARP card.

What Happens?

Q: What does a Chase A/A look like? How do I know whether I was shut down or not?
A: If you can't access your online account on chase.com, this is not A/A.
    When you encounter such a thing it could be because 1) the website is undergoing maintenance - wait till the site is back up; 2) a sever error - try using
    different browser
; 3) you didn't log in to your account for a while - call the number on the back of your card; 4) a security concern (resulted by a large QuickPay
    transfer or similar - call the number on the back of your card.
    When you get hit by A/A, you'll see a message above your account "Your account is closed and no longer available for use. If you have a balance remaining on the account, please continue to
    make monthly payments by the due date."; your card will no longer work; and within 7 days you'll receive a letter in the mail notifying you of the closure and the reason to it.
Q: Do they close down all my cards or just one?
A: If your shutdown was a result of 'credit related risk', they usually close all your credit card accounts, while with 'perk abusers' they used to shut down all of your cards (April '12), but lately, it is limited to the accounts involved in the abuse.
Q: Do they shut down other accounts such as checking, savings or investment accounts?
A: Lately people are reporting getting their checking account closed when getting A/A'd.
Q: Once my card is closed, can I still access my points?
A: Again there's a difference whats the reason your account was closed. Ironically, if its because of 'credit risk', your points will be forfeited, (and that used to be the case with 'perk abusers' during the April '12 A/A wave), but if its because of 'perk abuse', you'll get a certain amount of time (from 2 to 90 days - as specified on your letter) to transfer or redeem your points.

How To Get Back

Q: Once one was shut down, is there any point of calling  customer service or any other department and try to convince them to reopen the closed accounts?
A: If your account was closed due to 'perk abuse' there is -almost- no way to convince them to reopen it (unless there was an error, and you really didn't commit any violations of the
     terms and conditions).
     But if your account was closed for credit related reasons, you might have luck by calling the executive dept. 1888-622-7547 and trying to explain them why it might've looked like your at risk of default, but in fact, there is nothing to worry about. But of course YMMV with this.
Q: Can I apply for a new credit card after my accounts were closed?
A: Yes. There are a multiple reports of people being approved for a new Chase card after waiting a few months and applying again. But some were not that lucky, and some had their new accounts closed a few days after approval.
« Last edited by Iz on March 22, 2017, 11:26:51 PM »

Poll

Have You Been A/A'ed?

Yes, I've Been Shut Down And Received 1 Cent Per Point :(
10 (1.6%)
Yes, I've Been Shut Down And Received Nothing For My Points >:(
62 (10%)
No (Bli Ayin Horah)
455 (73.4%)
I Was Shut Down But Was Able To Get Reopened After Appeal
24 (3.9%)
Yes, I've Been Shut Down But Was Able To Transfer Points To Miles
69 (11.1%)

Total Members Voted: 618

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1401 on: May 13, 2012, 11:36:48 PM »
I am sure more will follow

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1402 on: May 13, 2012, 11:37:14 PM »
three execs resign

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/jpmorgan-chase-execs-resign-wake-bank-2-billion-trading-loss-article-1.1077456
YEAH.... THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!!

THEY ARE ONE FAULTY AND FILTHY FINANCIAL INSTITUTION!

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1403 on: May 13, 2012, 11:38:18 PM »
Also this isn't necessarily a good thing and can lead to more A/A's as chase could decide to limit further risk due to the recent losses.

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1404 on: May 13, 2012, 11:38:46 PM »
I am sure more will follow

YOUR LIPS TO GOD'S EARS!

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1405 on: May 13, 2012, 11:41:14 PM »
YEAH.... THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!!

THEY ARE ONE FAULTY AND FILTHY FINANCIAL INSTITUTION!

Why such hate for them, or is it all banks you hate

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1406 on: May 13, 2012, 11:47:59 PM »
Also this isn't necessarily a good thing and can lead to more A/A's as chase could decide to limit further risk due to the recent losses.
On a serious tone...
Whether or not Chase's lawyer here on ddf Mr. AJK agrees or not, they're clearly acting unethical at best and illegal as far as I understand.
I'm sure a major investigation will follow soon and I'd feed the papers (like the WSJ) with some serious allegations where people are getting shut once chase realizes they made a mistake by "offering" the Signup and other bonuses and as result shut them down, ruin their credit and CONFISCATES THEIR points (yes AJK, it's the consumer's once it posts).
 
So that hopefully the investigators looking into Chase's misbehavior at the latest 2 billion scandal will note their other misbehaviors too.
 

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1407 on: May 13, 2012, 11:49:51 PM »
My question is what took them so long to report their losses. They apparently knew months ago , when they were A/A-ing right and left.

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1408 on: May 13, 2012, 11:54:30 PM »
My question is what took them so long to report their losses. They apparently knew months ago , when they were A/A-ing right and left.
if they AA someone and can scratch his outstanding points (even if a few months later they are forced to return it) does their balance sheet look better in the meantime?
(lower the losses?)

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1409 on: May 13, 2012, 11:58:48 PM »
So instead of writing "not intended as use." They should've wrote "NOT INVESTED AS INTENDED" ( their loss)
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1410 on: May 14, 2012, 12:04:38 AM »
Why such hate for them, or is it all banks you hate

Not at all. It's just that i had 1 sleepless night last week and read through the 80+ pages of this thread and as result had even more sleepless nights... They seriously hyped my blood pressure with their inexcusable wrongdoings.. I became a sworn chase enemy.. I will personally do whatever I can; mainly relaying all these stories to the press and encourage people to take them to court (as mentioned in my first post here).

Oh, I'm an abseloute bank LOVER!
Long Live BOA, Citi, TD and Amex. even though the last - sometimes do conduct their scary financial review, I still see and believe it to be a fair procedure mainly for being "transparent" and giving you the chance to come clean by using the "innocent until proven guilty" attitude; as oppose to Chase which is exercising a way different path.. GUILTY EVEN WHEN PROVED INNOCENT....

 

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1411 on: May 14, 2012, 12:37:59 AM »
three execs resign

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/jpmorgan-chase-execs-resign-wake-bank-2-billion-trading-loss-article-1.1077456

This entire discussion doesn't belong here and deserves its own thread.

I just want to add that I don't understand how Chase could bet all this money on CDSs after those same CDSs are what bought the financial markets to their knees in '08, it baffles me.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1412 on: May 14, 2012, 12:45:11 AM »
well I first searched before posting :P

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1413 on: May 14, 2012, 12:46:42 AM »
Not at all. It's just that i had 1 sleepless night last week and read through the 80+ pages of this thread and as result had even more sleepless nights... They seriously hyped my blood pressure with their inexcusable wrongdoings.. I became a sworn chase enemy.. I will personally do whatever I can; mainly relaying all these stories to the press and encourage people to take them to court (as mentioned in my first post here).

Oh, I'm an abseloute bank LOVER!
Long Live BOA, Citi, TD and Amex. even though the last - sometimes do conduct their scary financial review, I still see and believe it to be a fair procedure mainly for being "transparent" and giving you the chance to come clean by using the "innocent until proven guilty" attitude; as oppose to Chase which is exercising a way different path.. GUILTY EVEN WHEN PROVED INNOCENT....

I know you will not agree with me .

IF I loaned money to someone and found that  they LIED to me  or tried to take advantage  , I do not want to extend them any credit any longer or do business with them in anyway , to cut my risk i would just cut them off , why do  I want to do business with anyone who you can not trust? when 99% of clients play by the rules that they agreed to.

Chase is a bank , they are in business to earn a profit-- they are  not family

I would assume if you lost so much sleep over reading this thread , "maybe" you did not play by the rules ?--what are you so worried about ?

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1414 on: May 14, 2012, 12:51:55 AM »
This entire discussion doesn't belong here and deserves its own thread.

I just want to add that I don't understand how Chase could bet all this money on CDSs after those same CDSs are what bought the financial markets to their knees in '08, it baffles me.

simple --they saw an opportunity to earn a profit and THOUGHT they had risk under control --since they lost a ton of money in our eyes they are dumb --if it worked they are smart--
 the financial industry  has a long history of  thinking thing  are under control and suddenly they get into trouble -- nature of the beast! 

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1415 on: May 14, 2012, 01:00:50 AM »
I know you will not agree with me .

IF I loaned money to someone and found that  they LIED to me  or tried to take advantage  , I do not want to extend them any credit any longer or do business with them in anyway , to cut my risk i would just cut them off , why do  I want to do business with anyone who you can not trust? when 99% of clients play by the rules that they agreed to.

Chase is a bank , they are in business to earn a profit-- they are  not family

I would assume if you lost so much sleep over reading this thread , "maybe" you did not play by the rules ?--what are you so worried about ?

Wrong Wrong!
I do not bank and to not intend to bank with Chase (Burech Hesham). No checking, savings or credit cards.

And to your point on a business prospective; I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT THE PEOPLE INVOLVED IN ANY SORT OF ABUSE. In fact I am referring to the 99% who ARE indeed playing by the rules and for some reason chase has decided that they are earning to much interests, points/miles and shut them.

P.S. I'm not losing sleep over concern.. It's more a frustration type of sleeplessness... If u know what I mean... Or perhaps it's age related?  :P

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1416 on: May 14, 2012, 01:03:49 AM »
keep COOL !! and try to get some sleep it is 1:00 a.m. in ny

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1417 on: May 14, 2012, 01:09:15 AM »
keep COOL !! and try to get some sleep it is 1:00 a.m. in ny
are you really in greece? (8 am for you?)

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1418 on: May 14, 2012, 05:50:56 AM »
are you really in greece? (8 am for you?)

YES NOW 12:50 PM

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1419 on: May 14, 2012, 10:50:03 AM »
Do you have any evidence to support any of what you wrote?

On a serious tone...
Whether or not Chase's lawyer here on ddf Mr. AJK agrees or not, they're clearly acting unethical at best and illegal as far as I understand.
I'm sure a major investigation will follow soon and I'd feed the papers (like the WSJ) with some serious allegations where people are getting shut once chase realizes they made a mistake by "offering" the Signup and other bonuses and as result shut them down, ruin their credit and CONFISCATES THEIR points (yes AJK, it's the consumer's once it posts).


So, in other words, no, you have no evidence.
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