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Q: Hi, I searched all over the internet for an active link of the Chase American Airlines credit card and couldn't find one. How did you guys manage to get this card?
A: Ha ha... There's (currently) no co-branded Chase AA credit card, this thread is discussing 'Chase Adverse Action'. As a general rule, AA refers to 'American Airlines', while A/A refers to 'Adverse Action'.

Q: What does Chase A/A look like? Can I do something to prevent that from happening? And once I'm hit, is there anything I can do to get back in the game?
A: To better address all the questions and concerns, we'll divide it in three sections:

1) What Are The Triggers?
2) What Happens?
3) How To Get Back

What Are The Triggers?

Basically, there are two possibilities that might trigger a Chase A/A:
Credit Related Risk
-Opening too many new cards in a short period of time, (even from other banks, and even being added as an additional user is considered as opening a new account, even a spike in your total CL even from being  additional user has been a trigger for many people - Dec 2013);
-A sudden excessive use of your cards;
-Maxing out your available credit limit.
-Buying large amounts of Chase GC (most people didn't have problems but lately some people are getting shut down for this).
Of course, there is no general rule with these things, it mostly varies by your particular credit file and worthiness.

Perk Abuse
-Transferring Ultimate Rewards points to someone else's account other than your spouse or domestic partner;
 both, the sender and the recipient, are at risk of A/A.
-Abuse of the 5% cashback bonus on the AARP card.

What Happens?

Q: What does a Chase A/A look like? How do I know whether I was shut down or not?
A: If you can't access your online account on chase.com, this is not A/A.
    When you encounter such a thing it could be because 1) the website is undergoing maintenance - wait till the site is back up; 2) a sever error - try using
    different browser
; 3) you didn't log in to your account for a while - call the number on the back of your card; 4) a security concern (resulted by a large QuickPay
    transfer or similar - call the number on the back of your card.
    When you get hit by A/A, you'll see a message above your account "Your account is closed and no longer available for use. If you have a balance remaining on the account, please continue to
    make monthly payments by the due date."; your card will no longer work; and within 7 days you'll receive a letter in the mail notifying you of the closure and the reason to it.
Q: Do they close down all my cards or just one?
A: If your shutdown was a result of 'credit related risk', they usually close all your credit card accounts, while with 'perk abusers' they used to shut down all of your cards (April '12), but lately, it is limited to the accounts involved in the abuse.
Q: Do they shut down other accounts such as checking, savings or investment accounts?
A: Lately people are reporting getting their checking account closed when getting A/A'd.
Q: Once my card is closed, can I still access my points?
A: Again there's a difference whats the reason your account was closed. Ironically, if its because of 'credit risk', your points will be forfeited, (and that used to be the case with 'perk abusers' during the April '12 A/A wave), but if its because of 'perk abuse', you'll get a certain amount of time (from 2 to 90 days - as specified on your letter) to transfer or redeem your points.

How To Get Back

Q: Once one was shut down, is there any point of calling  customer service or any other department and try to convince them to reopen the closed accounts?
A: If your account was closed due to 'perk abuse' there is -almost- no way to convince them to reopen it (unless there was an error, and you really didn't commit any violations of the
     terms and conditions).
     But if your account was closed for credit related reasons, you might have luck by calling the executive dept. 1888-622-7547 and trying to explain them why it might've looked like your at risk of default, but in fact, there is nothing to worry about. But of course YMMV with this.
Q: Can I apply for a new credit card after my accounts were closed?
A: Yes. There are a multiple reports of people being approved for a new Chase card after waiting a few months and applying again. But some were not that lucky, and some had their new accounts closed a few days after approval.
« Last edited by Iz on March 22, 2017, 11:26:51 PM »

Poll

Have You Been A/A'ed?

Yes, I've Been Shut Down And Received 1 Cent Per Point :(
10 (1.6%)
Yes, I've Been Shut Down And Received Nothing For My Points >:(
62 (10%)
No (Bli Ayin Horah)
455 (73.4%)
I Was Shut Down But Was Able To Get Reopened After Appeal
24 (3.9%)
Yes, I've Been Shut Down But Was Able To Transfer Points To Miles
69 (11.1%)

Total Members Voted: 618

Author Topic: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)  (Read 1699263 times)

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2740 on: June 06, 2013, 12:32:19 PM »
You have zero way of backing that up, and I can point to at least a couple anecdotal pieces of evidence on FT and SD that say you're wrong.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2741 on: June 06, 2013, 04:25:12 PM »
Not so definite.
With a solid and long credit history, high income and good relationship (high deposit accounts), several cards are not an A/A trigger.

I agree --I have 11 cards now with chase-- have had no less than 9 in past few years , have done 2 or 3 chase cards every 3 months , never denied   a card from them --did need to cancel cards to get the new cards--- have been with Chase 25 years or more. I keep high deposit with them -- sometimes I need to remind them of that ,FYI   they can see your bank accounts as I have tested them , they were able to tell me how much had on deposit  -- but for the first time ever Case said ---you have RECEIVED too many cards in last 12 months ( still got the two cards I applied for ), in past  they never brought up # OF CARDS IN TOTAL LAST 12 MONTHS  , they do say to me --- , you have max # cards allowed by us

I do feel if doing this with long term in mind things are stricter in general , if you are a 120 day wonder and go for 8-10-12  cards at a clip and are young with no "real" income -- u are not long for the appo game

 

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2742 on: June 07, 2013, 12:02:56 AM »
I was wondering if anybody has had any luck lately trying to get Chase to let you move your points after an A/A?  I have been SM for the past 3 days with no luck.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2743 on: June 07, 2013, 02:03:23 AM »
hi do u think opening 4 cards in one 4bm can trigger a aa?
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2744 on: June 07, 2013, 02:08:37 AM »
3 cards our approved already 2 inks and 1 united , do u think i should try pushing thru the ba card' or the sapphire, as well, or it may come with a A/A?
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2745 on: June 07, 2013, 10:50:39 AM »
but for the first time ever Case said ---you have RECEIVED too many cards in last 12 months ( still got the two cards I applied for ), in past  they never brought up # OF CARDS IN TOTAL LAST 12 MONTHS  , they do say to me --- , you have max # cards allowed by us

+1, same experience. Denied for UMPE and I pressed and they used the term "rate of acquisition" and the definition was the amount of total cards approved by any bank in the last 12 months. They said "if I approve you now, it will be your 12th in 12 months and I can't in good conscious do that." (I HUCA'd and got it done lol). But it's definitely another thing to keep in mind.

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2746 on: June 07, 2013, 11:21:22 AM »
+1, same experience. Denied for UMPE and I pressed and they used the term "rate of acquisition" and the definition was the amount of total cards approved by any bank in the last 12 months. They said "if I approve you now, it will be your 12th in 12 months and I can't in good conscious do that." (I HUCA'd and got it done lol). But it's definitely another thing to keep in mind.

I got a rejection letter over a year ago stating too many applications in the past twelve months (the other two reasons were too many applications in the last 6 months and too many new accounts with Chase).  It's technically not the same as too many new accounts but I don't think this is something new.

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2747 on: June 07, 2013, 11:46:47 AM »
May not be new , though I have had many more cards then 12 in a year and never a word said about nbr of cards -- was told  in past many recent inquires , just believe that even chase has tightened up somewhat -- not like Citi,barkly, amex --

 economic situation is now better and airlines now make money something they have not done in 50 years - hotels at higher capacity  banks are in better shape , all this makes it harder for us-- --simple supply and demand ,--

 even DAN  suffers since we can not get multi cards as we have in past , good thing his membership nbrs are way up

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2748 on: June 07, 2013, 03:00:19 PM »
i wonna do for the first time a 4bm with chase , i never had a chase card , i have a chase checking account with 15k dollars, is doing this a trigger for a A/A?
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2749 on: June 07, 2013, 03:06:28 PM »
i wonna do for the first time a 4bm with chase , i never had a chase card , i have a chase checking account with 15k dollars, is doing this a trigger for a A/A?

If you don"t have a Chase card already there is nothing for them to A/A
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2750 on: June 07, 2013, 03:06:58 PM »
i wonna do for the first time a 4bm with chase , i never had a chase card , i have a chase checking account with 15k dollars, is doing this a trigger for a A/A?
Relax, do 2 maybe 3 and you will be fine.

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2751 on: June 07, 2013, 03:47:27 PM »
If you don"t have a Chase card already there is nothing for them to A/A
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People that are A/A'd get blacklisted sometimes for years to come.

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2752 on: June 07, 2013, 04:29:47 PM »
Relax, do 2 maybe 3 and you will be fine.
to tell the true... i did already a 5bm... Pushed through three of them already by HUCA.... i just wonder if i should Try pushing through the other two Or maybe openings so many cards in one month especially for the first time may trigger a A/A?
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2753 on: June 07, 2013, 04:31:54 PM »
to tell the true... i did already a 5bm... Pushed through three of them already by HUCA.... i just wonder if i should Try pushing through the other two Or maybe openings so many cards in one month especially for the first time may trigger a A/A?
I'm not going to say it will trigger an A/A.

Just not such a good idea.

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2754 on: June 07, 2013, 04:34:09 PM »
it really depends on who your banker is. I have a great cpc banker who will get me approved for any cc and seems to be able to get a lot of things done. Other branches i have gone to have cpc bankers who are not so with it

So is every cpc account assigned a private banker, or do some banks just have a private banker? How many private clients can they have already, don't most of them have to be very wealthy?

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2755 on: June 07, 2013, 04:47:44 PM »
I'm not going to say it will trigger an A/A.

Just not such a good idea.
   in the begining of this thread it is saying that "asking for to much credit cards in a short time period may trigger a A/A" is it not really true......?   also pls explain y not such a good idea....  thanks tons
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2756 on: June 08, 2013, 11:55:27 PM »
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People that are A/A'd get blacklisted sometimes for years to come.

But that person never had a Chase card to start with. Why we he get an A/A?
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2757 on: June 09, 2013, 12:14:42 AM »
But that person never had a Chase card to start with. Why we he get an A/A?
I'm not saying he would/wouldn't get an A/A. Just pointing out that the fact that he doesn't have any Chase cards does not rule out the possibility of being A/A'd.

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2758 on: June 09, 2013, 01:06:01 AM »
I'm not saying he would/wouldn't get an A/A. Just pointing out that the fact that he doesn't have any Chase cards does not rule out the possibility of being A/A'd.
if someone is getting A/A'd , and he is having a good checking account with chase, can his banker help him to get his cards reopen'd ?
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2759 on: June 09, 2013, 01:30:49 AM »
if someone is getting A/A'd , and he is having a good checking account with chase, can his banker help him to get his cards reopen'd ?
Unlikely