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Q: Hi, I searched all over the internet for an active link of the Chase American Airlines credit card and couldn't find one. How did you guys manage to get this card?
A: Ha ha... There's (currently) no co-branded Chase AA credit card, this thread is discussing 'Chase Adverse Action'. As a general rule, AA refers to 'American Airlines', while A/A refers to 'Adverse Action'.

Q: What does Chase A/A look like? Can I do something to prevent that from happening? And once I'm hit, is there anything I can do to get back in the game?
A: To better address all the questions and concerns, we'll divide it in three sections:

1) What Are The Triggers?
2) What Happens?
3) How To Get Back

What Are The Triggers?

Basically, there are two possibilities that might trigger a Chase A/A:
Credit Related Risk
-Opening too many new cards in a short period of time, (even from other banks, and even being added as an additional user is considered as opening a new account, even a spike in your total CL even from being  additional user has been a trigger for many people - Dec 2013);
-A sudden excessive use of your cards;
-Maxing out your available credit limit.
-Buying large amounts of Chase GC (most people didn't have problems but lately some people are getting shut down for this).
Of course, there is no general rule with these things, it mostly varies by your particular credit file and worthiness.

Perk Abuse
-Transferring Ultimate Rewards points to someone else's account other than your spouse or domestic partner;
 both, the sender and the recipient, are at risk of A/A.
-Abuse of the 5% cashback bonus on the AARP card.

What Happens?

Q: What does a Chase A/A look like? How do I know whether I was shut down or not?
A: If you can't access your online account on chase.com, this is not A/A.
    When you encounter such a thing it could be because 1) the website is undergoing maintenance - wait till the site is back up; 2) a sever error - try using
    different browser
; 3) you didn't log in to your account for a while - call the number on the back of your card; 4) a security concern (resulted by a large QuickPay
    transfer or similar - call the number on the back of your card.
    When you get hit by A/A, you'll see a message above your account "Your account is closed and no longer available for use. If you have a balance remaining on the account, please continue to
    make monthly payments by the due date."; your card will no longer work; and within 7 days you'll receive a letter in the mail notifying you of the closure and the reason to it.
Q: Do they close down all my cards or just one?
A: If your shutdown was a result of 'credit related risk', they usually close all your credit card accounts, while with 'perk abusers' they used to shut down all of your cards (April '12), but lately, it is limited to the accounts involved in the abuse.
Q: Do they shut down other accounts such as checking, savings or investment accounts?
A: Lately people are reporting getting their checking account closed when getting A/A'd.
Q: Once my card is closed, can I still access my points?
A: Again there's a difference whats the reason your account was closed. Ironically, if its because of 'credit risk', your points will be forfeited, (and that used to be the case with 'perk abusers' during the April '12 A/A wave), but if its because of 'perk abuse', you'll get a certain amount of time (from 2 to 90 days - as specified on your letter) to transfer or redeem your points.

How To Get Back

Q: Once one was shut down, is there any point of calling  customer service or any other department and try to convince them to reopen the closed accounts?
A: If your account was closed due to 'perk abuse' there is -almost- no way to convince them to reopen it (unless there was an error, and you really didn't commit any violations of the
     terms and conditions).
     But if your account was closed for credit related reasons, you might have luck by calling the executive dept. 1888-622-7547 and trying to explain them why it might've looked like your at risk of default, but in fact, there is nothing to worry about. But of course YMMV with this.
Q: Can I apply for a new credit card after my accounts were closed?
A: Yes. There are a multiple reports of people being approved for a new Chase card after waiting a few months and applying again. But some were not that lucky, and some had their new accounts closed a few days after approval.
« Last edited by Iz on March 22, 2017, 11:26:51 PM »

Poll

Have You Been A/A'ed?

Yes, I've Been Shut Down And Received 1 Cent Per Point :(
10 (1.6%)
Yes, I've Been Shut Down And Received Nothing For My Points >:(
62 (10%)
No (Bli Ayin Horah)
455 (73.4%)
I Was Shut Down But Was Able To Get Reopened After Appeal
24 (3.9%)
Yes, I've Been Shut Down But Was Able To Transfer Points To Miles
69 (11.1%)

Total Members Voted: 618

Author Topic: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)  (Read 1707225 times)

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2780 on: June 10, 2013, 10:59:27 AM »
Sometimes I use my credit lines several times over every month by making mid-month payments. Why would that bother chase? I can only assume they love me as a customer as I'm generating tons of sales revenue for them.
Also known as "churning your credit line".
Supposedly you are viewed as an at risk customer when doing that.

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2781 on: June 10, 2013, 11:01:05 AM »
No, your credit limit defines the bank's exposure - the amount you borrow out of what you are able to borrow at any one time is what makes you more or less risky, as that is what they stand to lose.
With a 5k limit that I churn 20x in a month now I can dispute 100k in charges for just one month.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2782 on: June 10, 2013, 11:02:55 AM »
Also known as "churning your credit line".
Supposedly you are viewed as an at risk customer when doing that.
...and according to Chase's BS charging more that your CL in one month is against their policy.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2783 on: June 10, 2013, 11:04:46 AM »
Makes perfect sense to me why churning one's CL gives a creditor increased exposure to default.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2784 on: June 10, 2013, 11:20:09 AM »
...and according to Chase's BS charging more that your CL in one month is against their policy.

Source?

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2785 on: June 10, 2013, 11:26:12 AM »
Only on DDF does 24/6 mean 24/5/half/half

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2786 on: June 10, 2013, 12:49:41 PM »
Makes perfect sense to me why churning one's CL gives a creditor increased exposure to default.
so u would advise not to max out the credit line even if paying off right after? the charge posts?
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2787 on: June 10, 2013, 12:52:06 PM »
Correct. It is a known A/A trigger.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2788 on: June 10, 2013, 02:31:52 PM »
Correct. It is a known A/A trigger.
so i just got my new ink plus with 2k dollar credit line, should i lets say just spend like 1700 dollars each month to meet the spending of 5k?
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« Reply #2789 on: June 10, 2013, 02:39:42 PM »
so i just got my new ink plus with 2k dollar credit line, should i lets say just spend like 1700 dollars each month to meet the spending of 5k?

1) Congrats: http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=29462.msg519283#msg519283
2) Yes, but in your case, with such a small limit, I'd pay off before the statement closes.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2790 on: June 10, 2013, 02:46:19 PM »
Only on DDF does 24/6 mean 24/5/half/half

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2791 on: June 10, 2013, 03:00:17 PM »
1) Congrats: http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=29462.msg519283#msg519283
2) Yes, but in your case, with such a small limit, I'd pay off before the statement closes.
im paying off b4 the statement closes always.... since we know dan..  but in my case u wouldn't tell me to spend more then that, even im paying off right away?
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« Reply #2792 on: June 10, 2013, 10:28:59 PM »
im paying off b4 the statement closes always.... since we know dan..  but in my case u wouldn't tell me to spend more then that, even im paying off right away?
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« Reply #2793 on: June 10, 2013, 11:07:39 PM »

Your computer filters the first line of a post?

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2795 on: June 11, 2013, 02:19:17 PM »
Your computer filters the first line of a post?

Please tell me that quote you have on your profile is made up lol

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« Reply #2796 on: June 11, 2013, 02:23:23 PM »
Please tell me that quote you have on your profile is made up lol
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2797 on: June 11, 2013, 02:25:44 PM »
Please tell me that quote you have on your profile is made up lol

Google translate --- "God said to me at the money I came to Israel immediately gold and said I'm boilers me "------ now please translate to "English"

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Google translate --- "God said to me at the money I came to Israel immediately gold and said I'm boilers me "------ now please translate to "English"
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2799 on: June 11, 2013, 02:37:52 PM »
Google translate --- "God said to me at the money I came to Israel immediately gold and said I'm boilers me "------ now please translate to "English"
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