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Q: Hi, I searched all over the internet for an active link of the Chase American Airlines credit card and couldn't find one. How did you guys manage to get this card?
A: Ha ha... There's (currently) no co-branded Chase AA credit card, this thread is discussing 'Chase Adverse Action'. As a general rule, AA refers to 'American Airlines', while A/A refers to 'Adverse Action'.

Q: What does Chase A/A look like? Can I do something to prevent that from happening? And once I'm hit, is there anything I can do to get back in the game?
A: To better address all the questions and concerns, we'll divide it in three sections:

1) What Are The Triggers?
2) What Happens?
3) How To Get Back

What Are The Triggers?

Basically, there are two possibilities that might trigger a Chase A/A:
Credit Related Risk
-Opening too many new cards in a short period of time, (even from other banks, and even being added as an additional user is considered as opening a new account, even a spike in your total CL even from being  additional user has been a trigger for many people - Dec 2013);
-A sudden excessive use of your cards;
-Maxing out your available credit limit.
-Buying large amounts of Chase GC (most people didn't have problems but lately some people are getting shut down for this).
Of course, there is no general rule with these things, it mostly varies by your particular credit file and worthiness.

Perk Abuse
-Transferring Ultimate Rewards points to someone else's account other than your spouse or domestic partner;
 both, the sender and the recipient, are at risk of A/A.
-Abuse of the 5% cashback bonus on the AARP card.

What Happens?

Q: What does a Chase A/A look like? How do I know whether I was shut down or not?
A: If you can't access your online account on chase.com, this is not A/A.
    When you encounter such a thing it could be because 1) the website is undergoing maintenance - wait till the site is back up; 2) a sever error - try using
    different browser
; 3) you didn't log in to your account for a while - call the number on the back of your card; 4) a security concern (resulted by a large QuickPay
    transfer or similar - call the number on the back of your card.
    When you get hit by A/A, you'll see a message above your account "Your account is closed and no longer available for use. If you have a balance remaining on the account, please continue to
    make monthly payments by the due date."; your card will no longer work; and within 7 days you'll receive a letter in the mail notifying you of the closure and the reason to it.
Q: Do they close down all my cards or just one?
A: If your shutdown was a result of 'credit related risk', they usually close all your credit card accounts, while with 'perk abusers' they used to shut down all of your cards (April '12), but lately, it is limited to the accounts involved in the abuse.
Q: Do they shut down other accounts such as checking, savings or investment accounts?
A: Lately people are reporting getting their checking account closed when getting A/A'd.
Q: Once my card is closed, can I still access my points?
A: Again there's a difference whats the reason your account was closed. Ironically, if its because of 'credit risk', your points will be forfeited, (and that used to be the case with 'perk abusers' during the April '12 A/A wave), but if its because of 'perk abuse', you'll get a certain amount of time (from 2 to 90 days - as specified on your letter) to transfer or redeem your points.

How To Get Back

Q: Once one was shut down, is there any point of calling  customer service or any other department and try to convince them to reopen the closed accounts?
A: If your account was closed due to 'perk abuse' there is -almost- no way to convince them to reopen it (unless there was an error, and you really didn't commit any violations of the
     terms and conditions).
     But if your account was closed for credit related reasons, you might have luck by calling the executive dept. 1888-622-7547 and trying to explain them why it might've looked like your at risk of default, but in fact, there is nothing to worry about. But of course YMMV with this.
Q: Can I apply for a new credit card after my accounts were closed?
A: Yes. There are a multiple reports of people being approved for a new Chase card after waiting a few months and applying again. But some were not that lucky, and some had their new accounts closed a few days after approval.
« Last edited by Iz on March 22, 2017, 11:26:51 PM »

Poll

Have You Been A/A'ed?

Yes, I've Been Shut Down And Received 1 Cent Per Point :(
10 (1.6%)
Yes, I've Been Shut Down And Received Nothing For My Points >:(
62 (10%)
No (Bli Ayin Horah)
455 (73.4%)
I Was Shut Down But Was Able To Get Reopened After Appeal
24 (3.9%)
Yes, I've Been Shut Down But Was Able To Transfer Points To Miles
69 (11.1%)

Total Members Voted: 618

Author Topic: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)  (Read 1708329 times)

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3160 on: October 01, 2013, 10:49:47 AM »

Just do everything careful, don't spend to much on GC etc... don't go over your limit or even close..
That doesn't answer my question. I'm worried about having too many cards without a sufficient credit history. Should I close a few or will that make it worse? If you don't know then don't post.

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3161 on: October 01, 2013, 10:52:30 AM »
I'm getting slightly nervous due to this wave of shutdowns and was wondering if there is anything I can preemptively do to lessen my risk...
   In the last 10 months I've opened the freedom,sp, Hyatt, and ba. The Hyatt and ba are closed. I also have the ip, ib, and united. I'm just  finishing up the spend on my ib but after that I was wondering if I should close a few of them or that itself might draw unwanted attention?
This is not called a lot. Though they look sometimes how much CC you have with other banks as well.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3162 on: October 01, 2013, 11:04:18 AM »

This is not called a lot. Though they look sometimes how much CC you have with other banks as well.
Thank you. How much is a lot and how do you know if I may ask?

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3163 on: October 01, 2013, 11:18:29 AM »
Thank you. How much is a lot and how do you know if I may ask?
From what I've heard read... they closed people with 12+ cards + some cards of other banks. 3 personal especially when its 3 different products which you need every one for different type of purchases it makes sense.... IMO.
Same with 2 business cards.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3164 on: October 01, 2013, 11:42:35 AM »
Some people are just unlucky and have the Chase system designate them as undesirable customers.

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3165 on: October 01, 2013, 12:29:23 PM »

I have over 100k UR in my INK card ,  I go by my middle name and all my credit cards are too.  My United account goes by my first name,  i transferred before UR to united but not much though.

My question is : Should i make a new united account matching my middle name or just transfer to this United account which is my first name,  which doesn't match my ink card as it goes by my middle name  .

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3166 on: October 01, 2013, 12:33:43 PM »
I have over 100k UR in my INK card ,  I go by my middle name and all my credit cards are too.  My United account goes by my first name,  i transferred before UR to united but not much though.

My question is : Should i make a new united account matching my middle name or just transfer to this United account which is my first name,  which doesn't match my ink card as it goes by my middle name  .
If I would need all the miles in one account I would further transfer to the one that haves just my first name.
UR=UA is much less risky.
(special when same last name)
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3167 on: October 01, 2013, 01:24:55 PM »
If I would need all the miles in one account I would further transfer to the one that haves just my first name.
UR=UA is much less risky.
(special when same last name)
I dont I already used that account..

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3169 on: October 01, 2013, 04:49:00 PM »
Basically, don't deposit any manufactured spend into your checking account.
Probably don't even pay Chase cards with BB.
More of a money laundering concern than point generation concern.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3170 on: October 01, 2013, 04:56:02 PM »
This implies there is some kind of central entity that all banks have access to?
Basically, don't deposit any manufactured spend into your checking account.
Probably don't even pay Chase cards with BB.
More of a money laundering concern than point generation concern.


Do you mean into your 'Chase checking account?'

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3171 on: October 01, 2013, 04:56:07 PM »
Basically, don't deposit any manufactured spend into your checking account.
Probably don't even pay Chase cards with BB.
More of a money laundering concern than point generation concern.

Does that include AP deposits as well?
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3172 on: October 01, 2013, 05:09:32 PM »
Do you mean into your 'Chase checking account?'
Of course.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3173 on: October 01, 2013, 05:09:44 PM »
Does that include AP deposits as well?
Yes.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3174 on: October 01, 2013, 05:28:29 PM »
Just confirming another shot down. Interestingly he claims he still haves his points, will keep you posted.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3175 on: October 01, 2013, 05:29:25 PM »
I reiterate. It's a wave, and like all waves it will pass.

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3176 on: October 01, 2013, 05:50:54 PM »
I reiterate. It's a wave, and like all waves it will pass.
Now it may have to do with the new 3000 people hired in the Chase compliance dept. so it may just go on......   >:(
We all have to make a big protest, especial why they take away the points when closing VS Amex, the points is just like money that you have and they don't have the right to take it away.
(btw I wonder if this whole A/A gesheft is legal)
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3177 on: October 01, 2013, 06:09:48 PM »
Probably don't even pay Chase cards with BB.
More of a money laundering concern than point generation concern.

Are you saying that purchasing VRs at CVS and then loading them to BB to pay the CC bill is no longer safe?
Is that true even if there is other spending being done on that CC?
Thanks.

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3178 on: October 01, 2013, 09:03:04 PM »
Now it may have to do with the new 3000 people hired in the Chase compliance dept. so it may just go on......   >:(
We all have to make a big protest, especial why they take away the points when closing VS Amex, the points is just like money that you have and they don't have the right to take it away.
(btw I wonder if this whole A/A gesheft is legal)
maybe we start a online petition with all the "victims" should sign, it might help
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3179 on: October 01, 2013, 09:12:52 PM »
Are you saying that purchasing VRs at CVS and then loading them to BB to pay the CC bill is no longer safe?
Is that true even if there is other spending being done on that CC?
Thanks.
You can load your BB to a different Bank account and from there write a check to Chase.
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