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Q: Hi, I searched all over the internet for an active link of the Chase American Airlines credit card and couldn't find one. How did you guys manage to get this card?
A: Ha ha... There's (currently) no co-branded Chase AA credit card, this thread is discussing 'Chase Adverse Action'. As a general rule, AA refers to 'American Airlines', while A/A refers to 'Adverse Action'.

Q: What does Chase A/A look like? Can I do something to prevent that from happening? And once I'm hit, is there anything I can do to get back in the game?
A: To better address all the questions and concerns, we'll divide it in three sections:

1) What Are The Triggers?
2) What Happens?
3) How To Get Back

What Are The Triggers?

Basically, there are two possibilities that might trigger a Chase A/A:
Credit Related Risk
-Opening too many new cards in a short period of time, (even from other banks, and even being added as an additional user is considered as opening a new account, even a spike in your total CL even from being  additional user has been a trigger for many people - Dec 2013);
-A sudden excessive use of your cards;
-Maxing out your available credit limit.
-Buying large amounts of Chase GC (most people didn't have problems but lately some people are getting shut down for this).
Of course, there is no general rule with these things, it mostly varies by your particular credit file and worthiness.

Perk Abuse
-Transferring Ultimate Rewards points to someone else's account other than your spouse or domestic partner;
 both, the sender and the recipient, are at risk of A/A.
-Abuse of the 5% cashback bonus on the AARP card.

What Happens?

Q: What does a Chase A/A look like? How do I know whether I was shut down or not?
A: If you can't access your online account on chase.com, this is not A/A.
    When you encounter such a thing it could be because 1) the website is undergoing maintenance - wait till the site is back up; 2) a sever error - try using
    different browser
; 3) you didn't log in to your account for a while - call the number on the back of your card; 4) a security concern (resulted by a large QuickPay
    transfer or similar - call the number on the back of your card.
    When you get hit by A/A, you'll see a message above your account "Your account is closed and no longer available for use. If you have a balance remaining on the account, please continue to
    make monthly payments by the due date."; your card will no longer work; and within 7 days you'll receive a letter in the mail notifying you of the closure and the reason to it.
Q: Do they close down all my cards or just one?
A: If your shutdown was a result of 'credit related risk', they usually close all your credit card accounts, while with 'perk abusers' they used to shut down all of your cards (April '12), but lately, it is limited to the accounts involved in the abuse.
Q: Do they shut down other accounts such as checking, savings or investment accounts?
A: Lately people are reporting getting their checking account closed when getting A/A'd.
Q: Once my card is closed, can I still access my points?
A: Again there's a difference whats the reason your account was closed. Ironically, if its because of 'credit risk', your points will be forfeited, (and that used to be the case with 'perk abusers' during the April '12 A/A wave), but if its because of 'perk abuse', you'll get a certain amount of time (from 2 to 90 days - as specified on your letter) to transfer or redeem your points.

How To Get Back

Q: Once one was shut down, is there any point of calling  customer service or any other department and try to convince them to reopen the closed accounts?
A: If your account was closed due to 'perk abuse' there is -almost- no way to convince them to reopen it (unless there was an error, and you really didn't commit any violations of the
     terms and conditions).
     But if your account was closed for credit related reasons, you might have luck by calling the executive dept. 1888-622-7547 and trying to explain them why it might've looked like your at risk of default, but in fact, there is nothing to worry about. But of course YMMV with this.
Q: Can I apply for a new credit card after my accounts were closed?
A: Yes. There are a multiple reports of people being approved for a new Chase card after waiting a few months and applying again. But some were not that lucky, and some had their new accounts closed a few days after approval.
« Last edited by Iz on March 22, 2017, 11:26:51 PM »

Poll

Have You Been A/A'ed?

Yes, I've Been Shut Down And Received 1 Cent Per Point :(
10 (1.6%)
Yes, I've Been Shut Down And Received Nothing For My Points >:(
62 (10%)
No (Bli Ayin Horah)
455 (73.4%)
I Was Shut Down But Was Able To Get Reopened After Appeal
24 (3.9%)
Yes, I've Been Shut Down But Was Able To Transfer Points To Miles
69 (11.1%)

Total Members Voted: 618

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3220 on: October 02, 2013, 11:28:18 PM »
i can still log in on the chase app and it showed me my ur balance without any error message...
Check from your PC. can you clarify what they explained you in reference to my above questions? 
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3221 on: October 02, 2013, 11:28:35 PM »
As it turns out they closed my brothers account as well. It is at the same address...
Could it be the fact that there are too many recent applications to one address?

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3222 on: October 02, 2013, 11:29:47 PM »

Check from your PC. can you clarify what they explained you in reference to my above questions?
i am not near a desktop

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3223 on: October 02, 2013, 11:31:47 PM »
As it turns out they closed my brothers account as well. It is at the same address...
Could it be the fact that there are too many recent applications to one address?
Ouch..... this gets worse by the minutes.... guys we gotta do something here a petition... file a big law suit lots of people together... Its time for TD to come in to the CC world with nice reward partners.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3224 on: October 02, 2013, 11:32:26 PM »
Hello,

I have 4 chase credit cards -all open within the past year. Today I got an alert from Mint that my credit limits have changed to $0. Once logging into my account and speaking to a rep, I was able to confirm that my accounts have been closed!

The reason for this (based on my conversations with lending services) is three folded:
1) large purchases at Apple (about 5k)
2) gift card purchases (2.500)
3) a returned payment from bluebird. This payment was not returned due to insufficient funds, rather it was an error in the way I processed it.
(4) my credit report came back to them with too much credit and too many lines opened recently.

I have 100% on time bill payments. I don't spend close to my limit. And never did or had anything to raise a red flag.

I spoke to three reps. They each asked me to explain the above 3 questions. I had a good excuse for all of them but they keep telling me that given the information in my credit report, they cannot CURRENTLY reinstate my accounts. They did say that I can call back anytime and ask a rep to revue my account and decide wether or not to reinstate it.

I am proposing the following questions to DDF:

I understand that there has been a recent wave of this activity, has anyone successfully been reinstated? And if yes, how?

Does this affect your credit report? If he's how?

Would you recommend I keep trying my luck or wait it out?

Is there a particular department you recommend I contact?

Thanks in advance for your help!
I'm sorry to hear this
When I was A/A'd a few years ago they told me straight out that it was because I had too much credit and too many cc's opened recently (which actually kinda makes sense since it does look risky, like you're suddenly frantically needing all this credit). I doubt all the other reasons you mentioned had anything to do with it.


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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3225 on: October 02, 2013, 11:33:00 PM »
As it turns out they closed my brothers account as well. It is at the same address...
Could it be the fact that there are too many recent applications to one address?
What is your brothers story? we ask everyone to be as clear as possible with his story so we can try to figure out whats going on here.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3226 on: October 02, 2013, 11:36:16 PM »
I'm sorry to hear this
When I was A/A'd a few years ago they told me straight out that it was because I had too much credit and too many cc's opened recently (which actually kinda makes sense since it does look risky, like you're suddenly frantically needing all this credit). I doubt all the other reasons you mentioned had anything to do with it.
So you think 4 new cards a year is to much? or we have to know howmuch credit he had with different banks. however all this is not a excuse to close once account without any warning and STEALING his points  :(
they can lower CL to $100 if they are scared....
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3227 on: October 02, 2013, 11:42:45 PM »
I'm sorry to hear this
When I was A/A'd a few years ago they told me straight out that it was because I had too much credit and too many cc's opened recently (which actually kinda makes sense since it does look risky, like you're suddenly frantically needing all this credit). I doubt all the other reasons you mentioned had anything to do with it.
are you back with chase ?or still blocked?
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3228 on: October 02, 2013, 11:43:20 PM »
So you think 4 new cards a year is to much? or we have to know howmuch credit he had with different banks. however all this is not a excuse to close once account without any warning and STEALING his points  :(
they can lower CL to $100 if they are scared....
So you think 4 new cards a year is to much?
Did he open a total of 4 cards the whole year, or just chase cards??
Even so, depending on the situation it could look risky. For instance if someone has only 2 years of credit history and suddenly opens 4 cards in one day doing a multiple BM (not scattering the 4 apps throughout the year) getting limits of $5k (or more!) on each it could potentially look risky to Chase.
however all this is not a excuse to close once account without any warning and STEALING his points  :(
they can lower CL to $100 if they are scared....
Yep
And its nuts that they attack people under the same address too

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3229 on: October 02, 2013, 11:45:07 PM »
Did he open a total of 4 cards the whole year, or just chase cards??
Even so, depending on the situation it could look risky. For instance if someone has only 2 years of credit history and suddenly opens 4 cards in one day doing a multiple BM (not scattering apps throughout the year) getting limits of $5k (or more!) on each it could potentially look risky to Chase. Yep
Agree. however it didn't sound that he opened them in a 4bm he can CMIIW.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3230 on: October 03, 2013, 12:16:28 AM »
Taken from here http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=chase%20asverese%20action%20wave&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&ved=0CDQQFjAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.chase.com%2Fonline%2Fprepaid-card%2Fdocument%2FChase_Liquid_Terms_Conditions.pdf&ei=O-5MUsyQG4Wi9QTm1YFQ&usg=AFQjCNFfbcAr4DATxLOHKpjwArQM6mSRYg&sig2=gArVMkBf2bpufjs5nHnuBQ
B. Adverse Claims
We may (but are not required to) restrict or close your Card if there is a dispute or conflicting instructions regarding your Card or the funds credited to your Card. We
may place funds in a court (“interplead”) for resolution. If any person notifies us of a dispute, we do not have to decide if the dispute has merit before we take further
action. We may take these actions without any liability and without advance notice, unless the law says otherwise, and may recover our costs in doing so.
C. Restricting Your Card
We may restrict your Card or other transaction if it is the subject of any legal or administrative proceeding or if we reasonably believe that doing so is necessary for
us to avoid a loss. We may deduct from your Available Balance or you may be billed separately for expenses and fees (including attorneys’ fees) we incur as a result
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3231 on: October 03, 2013, 08:39:19 AM »

What is your brothers story? we ask everyone to be as clear as possible with his story so we can try to figure out whats going on here.
im not sure yet. He is traveling.
I'm assuming, based on this info, they probably also closed my mother and fathers accounts....

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3232 on: October 03, 2013, 08:42:14 AM »

Did he open a total of 4 cards the whole year, or just chase cards??
Even so, depending on the situation it could look risky. For instance if someone has only 2 years of credit history and suddenly opens 4 cards in one day doing a multiple BM (not scattering the 4 apps throughout the year) getting limits of $5k (or more!) on each it could potentially look risky to Chase. Yep
And its nuts that they attack people under the same address too
1 was a year ago. The other 3 were within the past 4 moths. They gave me:
1) $2,000 - 1 year ago
2) 17,000 - 4 moths ago
3) 16,000 - 1 moth ago
4) 4,500 - 1 month ago

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3233 on: October 03, 2013, 10:48:02 AM »
Taken from here http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=chase%20asverese%20action%20wave&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&ved=0CDQQFjAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.chase.com%2Fonline%2Fprepaid-card%2Fdocument%2FChase_Liquid_Terms_Conditions.pdf&ei=O-5MUsyQG4Wi9QTm1YFQ&usg=AFQjCNFfbcAr4DATxLOHKpjwArQM6mSRYg&sig2=gArVMkBf2bpufjs5nHnuBQ
B. Adverse Claims
We may (but are not required to) restrict or close your Card if there is a dispute or conflicting instructions regarding your Card or the funds credited to your Card. We
may place funds in a court (“interplead”) for resolution. If any person notifies us of a dispute, we do not have to decide if the dispute has merit before we take further
action. We may take these actions without any liability and without advance notice, unless the law says otherwise, and may recover our costs in doing so.
C. Restricting Your Card
We may restrict your Card or other transaction if it is the subject of any legal or administrative proceeding or if we reasonably believe that doing so is necessary for
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of any legal or administrative proceeding relating to your Card or other transactions related to it (but not for the arbitration of a Claim between you and us). You agree
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3234 on: October 03, 2013, 11:48:49 AM »
I keep seeing Chase GCs as being a recurring trigger...
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3235 on: October 03, 2013, 11:54:33 AM »
Added it to wiki a few days ago...... unfortunately a bit to late.
However its stii unclear what exactly is causing it.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3236 on: October 03, 2013, 12:05:16 PM »
I keep seeing Chase GCs as being a recurring trigger...
i never bought one gift card and i was closed
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3237 on: October 03, 2013, 12:07:43 PM »
i never bought one gift card and i was closed
Added it to wiki a few days ago...... unfortunately a bit to late.
However its still unclear what exactly is causing it.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3238 on: October 03, 2013, 12:16:58 PM »
i never bought one gift card and i was closed

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3239 on: October 03, 2013, 01:00:21 PM »
I keep seeing Chase GCs as being a recurring trigger...

How many gcs are we talking about?