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Q: Hi, I searched all over the internet for an active link of the Chase American Airlines credit card and couldn't find one. How did you guys manage to get this card?
A: Ha ha... There's (currently) no co-branded Chase AA credit card, this thread is discussing 'Chase Adverse Action'. As a general rule, AA refers to 'American Airlines', while A/A refers to 'Adverse Action'.

Q: What does Chase A/A look like? Can I do something to prevent that from happening? And once I'm hit, is there anything I can do to get back in the game?
A: To better address all the questions and concerns, we'll divide it in three sections:

1) What Are The Triggers?
2) What Happens?
3) How To Get Back

What Are The Triggers?

Basically, there are two possibilities that might trigger a Chase A/A:
Credit Related Risk
-Opening too many new cards in a short period of time, (even from other banks, and even being added as an additional user is considered as opening a new account, even a spike in your total CL even from being  additional user has been a trigger for many people - Dec 2013);
-A sudden excessive use of your cards;
-Maxing out your available credit limit.
-Buying large amounts of Chase GC (most people didn't have problems but lately some people are getting shut down for this).
Of course, there is no general rule with these things, it mostly varies by your particular credit file and worthiness.

Perk Abuse
-Transferring Ultimate Rewards points to someone else's account other than your spouse or domestic partner;
 both, the sender and the recipient, are at risk of A/A.
-Abuse of the 5% cashback bonus on the AARP card.

What Happens?

Q: What does a Chase A/A look like? How do I know whether I was shut down or not?
A: If you can't access your online account on chase.com, this is not A/A.
    When you encounter such a thing it could be because 1) the website is undergoing maintenance - wait till the site is back up; 2) a sever error - try using
    different browser
; 3) you didn't log in to your account for a while - call the number on the back of your card; 4) a security concern (resulted by a large QuickPay
    transfer or similar - call the number on the back of your card.
    When you get hit by A/A, you'll see a message above your account "Your account is closed and no longer available for use. If you have a balance remaining on the account, please continue to
    make monthly payments by the due date."; your card will no longer work; and within 7 days you'll receive a letter in the mail notifying you of the closure and the reason to it.
Q: Do they close down all my cards or just one?
A: If your shutdown was a result of 'credit related risk', they usually close all your credit card accounts, while with 'perk abusers' they used to shut down all of your cards (April '12), but lately, it is limited to the accounts involved in the abuse.
Q: Do they shut down other accounts such as checking, savings or investment accounts?
A: Lately people are reporting getting their checking account closed when getting A/A'd.
Q: Once my card is closed, can I still access my points?
A: Again there's a difference whats the reason your account was closed. Ironically, if its because of 'credit risk', your points will be forfeited, (and that used to be the case with 'perk abusers' during the April '12 A/A wave), but if its because of 'perk abuse', you'll get a certain amount of time (from 2 to 90 days - as specified on your letter) to transfer or redeem your points.

How To Get Back

Q: Once one was shut down, is there any point of calling  customer service or any other department and try to convince them to reopen the closed accounts?
A: If your account was closed due to 'perk abuse' there is -almost- no way to convince them to reopen it (unless there was an error, and you really didn't commit any violations of the
     terms and conditions).
     But if your account was closed for credit related reasons, you might have luck by calling the executive dept. 1888-622-7547 and trying to explain them why it might've looked like your at risk of default, but in fact, there is nothing to worry about. But of course YMMV with this.
Q: Can I apply for a new credit card after my accounts were closed?
A: Yes. There are a multiple reports of people being approved for a new Chase card after waiting a few months and applying again. But some were not that lucky, and some had their new accounts closed a few days after approval.
« Last edited by Iz on March 22, 2017, 11:26:51 PM »

Poll

Have You Been A/A'ed?

Yes, I've Been Shut Down And Received 1 Cent Per Point :(
10 (1.6%)
Yes, I've Been Shut Down And Received Nothing For My Points >:(
62 (10%)
No (Bli Ayin Horah)
455 (73.4%)
I Was Shut Down But Was Able To Get Reopened After Appeal
24 (3.9%)
Yes, I've Been Shut Down But Was Able To Transfer Points To Miles
69 (11.1%)

Total Members Voted: 618

Author Topic: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)  (Read 1700982 times)

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3360 on: October 10, 2013, 04:48:00 PM »
Why were you AAd in the first place?

To the best of my knowledge, because of the reasons they told me - My credit report presented a risk.

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3361 on: October 11, 2013, 03:02:08 AM »
The newspaper Der Blat had this week an article about this. It looks like it is taken out from this thread.   ;)
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3362 on: October 11, 2013, 03:26:47 AM »
I heard from a store owner who has recurring charges, that many Chase cards were canceled lately...

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3363 on: October 11, 2013, 03:36:52 AM »
I heard from a store owner who has recurring charges, that many Chase cards were canceled lately...

And his clients are card churners?
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3364 on: October 11, 2013, 05:54:25 AM »
So, I applied for a Chase Freedom a few days ago - over two years since I was AAd. As expected, I called up later that day and declined due to 'previous negative relationship' with the bank. I called the Executive Department who called me back a day later. Bottom line - still declined. I spent way too much time on the phone with them and here is what I learnt. Note: This wasn't all said overtly but became apparent as the conversation wore on.

They claim to have done a through review of my file, but in reality all the Executive Department has the power to do is review the application to determine if process was followed. Because procedure dictates that when a customer has a 'red flag' (her term) the application is denied therefore she will not override. She repeatedly referred back to the original AA as being the result of too many recent applications, insufficient credit history and 'lots of other stuff' which to her meant lots of activity on my report.

I challenged her multiple times as to why she was only looking at my information from two years ago and not my current credit report (scores of 780) which is far cleaner then it was back then and she simply said 'we follow procedure.' She knew nothing about my current report and did not even have it open in front of her (I asked) despite her claim that she has my whole file right there. The vibe I got was that if she could she would approve me but procedure says she cannot. She claims that as a 'consumer' herself she can understand why I'd be frustrated but all she can suggest is that I try again in a few months but for now the decision remains (must have said this 20 times).  I asked what will change in a few months and she simply said 'anything could change.'

Basically, I received the same stock answers as the last two times I applied since being AAd. I have little faith that the Executive Department has any real powers and that its really possible to speak to a human who is empowered to take a real look at the situation. They blindly rely on previous decisions whether or not they were correct. It was a very odd conversation. I knew and she knew that what I had to say made a lot of sense, yet she kept on going back to her script.

I would love to hear from someone who was AAd and has the 'previous negative relationship with the bank' notation on their account and successfully re-applied. Is there anyone else to talk to? Anything else that can be done?
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3365 on: October 11, 2013, 08:37:32 AM »

FYI


Above should be REQUIRED reading for those that are new or those that think they can  get 10-20  cards  soon ( less tthan 18-24 months )after they were approved for the first few cards ---  walk slowly do not run , yiou just may fall down  and never get up
What's the 18-24 months? Why that specific amount of time?

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3366 on: October 11, 2013, 09:45:44 AM »
FYI


Above should be REQUIRED reading for those that are new or those that think they can  get 10-20  cards  soon ( less tthan 18-24 months )after they were approved for the first few cards ---  walk slowly do not run , yiou just may fall down  and never get up
How do you know that its from churning?
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3367 on: October 11, 2013, 10:30:48 AM »
How do you know that its from churning?


" original AA as being the result of too many recent applications, insufficient credit history"

 try to think like a business person , they extend you credit based on a formula and if you over apply compared to "the formula" for the history they have on you --and/or other questionable actions   you get in trouble ---they as the grantor of credit---- they  "will" cut you off , all bank lending works that way

i suspect most of the AA are from profiles that they are "just not " comfortable with , best to let them be comfortable and that means going slow and build on the relationship

anyone can do what they want  , I  just know I have 14 cards from chase and many other cards  from other banks , and have no problems getting cards because i took my time and I try to be conservative -- no need to get 6-8-10 cards in one shot  and then  getting "kicked out"  -- better less over a longer period

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3368 on: October 11, 2013, 03:29:11 PM »
Just wondering if I open a new chase savings acct with 10k (getting the $125 bonus) am I decreasing, increasing or keeping it the same my chances for being aa'd

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3369 on: October 11, 2013, 04:19:49 PM »
Just wondering if I open a new chase savings acct with 10k (getting the $125 bonus) am I decreasing, increasing or keeping it the same my chances for being aa'd
No one really knows.
 
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3370 on: October 11, 2013, 05:54:23 PM »
I did a 2BM, still have some miney to oay with BB.

Should I be scared? Lately alot of AA?

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3371 on: October 12, 2013, 08:39:16 PM »
I just got A/A'd... my UR points balance still shows my points, does that mean that I can still transfer them out?

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3372 on: October 12, 2013, 08:42:09 PM »
I just got A/A'd... my UR points balance still shows my points, does that mean that I can still transfer them out?
Sorry. why don't you just try?
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3373 on: October 12, 2013, 08:46:15 PM »
Sorry. why don't you just try?
Well, I'm hoping of getting my accounts back open, just wondering if it's a smart move to cash out now (if at all possible)

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3374 on: October 12, 2013, 08:49:24 PM »
Well, I'm hoping of getting my accounts back open, just wondering if it's a smart move to cash out now (if at all possible)


Try with a small amount if you're not sure, but I would cash out everything.

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3375 on: October 12, 2013, 08:50:12 PM »
Well, I'm hoping of getting my accounts back open, just wondering if it's a smart move to cash out now (if at all possible)
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3376 on: October 12, 2013, 08:56:25 PM »


Try with a small amount if you're not sure, but I would cash out everything.
does that make it look even more suspicisus if I cash out? I was A'A'd due to by mistake maxing out my credit limit on my ink card.. hope to call and explain... imy"h

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3377 on: October 12, 2013, 08:57:51 PM »
does that make it look even more suspicisus if I cash out? I was A'A'd due to by mistake maxing out my credit limit on my ink card.. hope to call and explain... imy"h
Oy.  How much time after you maxed out were you AA'd?

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3378 on: October 12, 2013, 09:00:47 PM »
right away (some charges are sill pending)

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3379 on: October 12, 2013, 09:02:25 PM »
is it a card with a hard limit or one of the floating limits?