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Q: Hi, I searched all over the internet for an active link of the Chase American Airlines credit card and couldn't find one. How did you guys manage to get this card?
A: Ha ha... There's (currently) no co-branded Chase AA credit card, this thread is discussing 'Chase Adverse Action'. As a general rule, AA refers to 'American Airlines', while A/A refers to 'Adverse Action'.

Q: What does Chase A/A look like? Can I do something to prevent that from happening? And once I'm hit, is there anything I can do to get back in the game?
A: To better address all the questions and concerns, we'll divide it in three sections:

1) What Are The Triggers?
2) What Happens?
3) How To Get Back

What Are The Triggers?

Basically, there are two possibilities that might trigger a Chase A/A:
Credit Related Risk
-Opening too many new cards in a short period of time, (even from other banks, and even being added as an additional user is considered as opening a new account, even a spike in your total CL even from being  additional user has been a trigger for many people - Dec 2013);
-A sudden excessive use of your cards;
-Maxing out your available credit limit.
-Buying large amounts of Chase GC (most people didn't have problems but lately some people are getting shut down for this).
Of course, there is no general rule with these things, it mostly varies by your particular credit file and worthiness.

Perk Abuse
-Transferring Ultimate Rewards points to someone else's account other than your spouse or domestic partner;
 both, the sender and the recipient, are at risk of A/A.
-Abuse of the 5% cashback bonus on the AARP card.

What Happens?

Q: What does a Chase A/A look like? How do I know whether I was shut down or not?
A: If you can't access your online account on chase.com, this is not A/A.
    When you encounter such a thing it could be because 1) the website is undergoing maintenance - wait till the site is back up; 2) a sever error - try using
    different browser
; 3) you didn't log in to your account for a while - call the number on the back of your card; 4) a security concern (resulted by a large QuickPay
    transfer or similar - call the number on the back of your card.
    When you get hit by A/A, you'll see a message above your account "Your account is closed and no longer available for use. If you have a balance remaining on the account, please continue to
    make monthly payments by the due date."; your card will no longer work; and within 7 days you'll receive a letter in the mail notifying you of the closure and the reason to it.
Q: Do they close down all my cards or just one?
A: If your shutdown was a result of 'credit related risk', they usually close all your credit card accounts, while with 'perk abusers' they used to shut down all of your cards (April '12), but lately, it is limited to the accounts involved in the abuse.
Q: Do they shut down other accounts such as checking, savings or investment accounts?
A: Lately people are reporting getting their checking account closed when getting A/A'd.
Q: Once my card is closed, can I still access my points?
A: Again there's a difference whats the reason your account was closed. Ironically, if its because of 'credit risk', your points will be forfeited, (and that used to be the case with 'perk abusers' during the April '12 A/A wave), but if its because of 'perk abuse', you'll get a certain amount of time (from 2 to 90 days - as specified on your letter) to transfer or redeem your points.

How To Get Back

Q: Once one was shut down, is there any point of calling  customer service or any other department and try to convince them to reopen the closed accounts?
A: If your account was closed due to 'perk abuse' there is -almost- no way to convince them to reopen it (unless there was an error, and you really didn't commit any violations of the
     terms and conditions).
     But if your account was closed for credit related reasons, you might have luck by calling the executive dept. 1888-622-7547 and trying to explain them why it might've looked like your at risk of default, but in fact, there is nothing to worry about. But of course YMMV with this.
Q: Can I apply for a new credit card after my accounts were closed?
A: Yes. There are a multiple reports of people being approved for a new Chase card after waiting a few months and applying again. But some were not that lucky, and some had their new accounts closed a few days after approval.
« Last edited by Iz on March 22, 2017, 11:26:51 PM »

Poll

Have You Been A/A'ed?

Yes, I've Been Shut Down And Received 1 Cent Per Point :(
10 (1.6%)
Yes, I've Been Shut Down And Received Nothing For My Points >:(
62 (10%)
No (Bli Ayin Horah)
455 (73.4%)
I Was Shut Down But Was Able To Get Reopened After Appeal
24 (3.9%)
Yes, I've Been Shut Down But Was Able To Transfer Points To Miles
69 (11.1%)

Total Members Voted: 618

Author Topic: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)  (Read 1708834 times)

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3560 on: October 14, 2013, 09:34:07 PM »
OCC as well

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3561 on: October 14, 2013, 09:38:47 PM »
Pretty simple guys and gals. If you're getting nowhere with the Executive Office, and you haven't done anything that would warrant account closure:

1 - AG and CPFB.
2 - Small claims court (there are FT'ers that are taking this route).
How does one go about initiating these?
what exactly is the process?

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3562 on: October 14, 2013, 09:41:00 PM »
CFPB = Consumer Financial Protection Bureau
Worked for some with the AARP AA. Did not get accounts opened but did get the points (check).
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3563 on: October 14, 2013, 09:45:27 PM »
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Apparently no one is safe from the chase shutdowns. My father in law discovered on Friday that his 25 year old chase personal checking and savings accounts as well as his credit card were closed by chase. They say his balance in the checking and savings account will be sent to him in the form of a check in approx 30 days. His chase points (135,000) however, we're confiscated and according to his banker there's no chance of getting them back.

His local banker actually tried his best. Called department after department to no avail. They give no reason. They say he'll receive a letter in the mail. They also say he's "blacklisted" and can no longer bank with them.

Please do yourself a favor and transfer your chase points to whichever airline you feel fit but do it now.

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@AGSchneiderman @ChaseSupport concerned with @chase epidemic of bank & CC acct shutdowns in certain neighborhoods 4 NO REASON WITHOUT NOTICE

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3564 on: October 14, 2013, 10:04:54 PM »
Seems they are sifting through ddf/Jewish neighborhoods,  on other sites like FT there are few reports compared to here.  It's not that they are intentionally targeting those people,  they are just going through them and anyone that appears as a risk they are booting. 

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3565 on: October 14, 2013, 10:06:37 PM »
Seems they are sifting through ddf/Jewish neighborhoods,  on other sites like FT there are few reports compared to here.  It's not that they are intentionally targeting those people,  they are just going through them and anyone that appears as a risk they are booting.
So ddf/Jewish neighborhoods = risk?

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3566 on: October 14, 2013, 10:09:11 PM »

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3567 on: October 14, 2013, 10:09:49 PM »
So ddf/Jewish neighborhoods = risk?
No but a higher density of risk in their minds

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3568 on: October 14, 2013, 10:13:14 PM »
That's because he is your father..... it's typically a package deal.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3569 on: October 14, 2013, 10:14:13 PM »
No but a higher density of risk in their minds

Risk usually means the banks feel the customer may default. Does Chase really feel all these AA victims will default? Doubt it. Its more like they're at risk of losing money by giving away so many points.

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3570 on: October 14, 2013, 10:16:24 PM »
Seems they are sifting through ddf/Jewish neighborhoods,  on other sites like FT there are few reports compared to here.  It's not that they are intentionally targeting those people,  they are just going through them and anyone that appears as a risk they are booting. 

Seriously, if you guys can't cut the baloney and jewish targeting nonsense I'm tempted to lock this thread.
People who aren't need to stop pretending to be a mumcheh.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/chase-ultimate-rewards/1396906-chase-closed-my-sapphire-preferred-account-due-transfers-other-ur-accounts.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/chase-ultimate-rewards/1351216-chase-closed-anyones-account-1mil-ur.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/chase-ultimate-rewards/1427844-chase-closed-my-sapphire-account-took-ur-points-help.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/chase-ultimate-rewards/1375863-my-wife-blacklisted-chase.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/chase-ultimate-rewards/1441749-have-you-been-blacklisted-chase.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/chase-ultimate-rewards/1345937-know-anyone-whose-chase-account-closed-successfuly-re-applied.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/chase-ultimate-rewards/1478101-chase-perk-abuse.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/chase-ultimate-rewards/1509123-chase-shutdown-one-all-cards.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/chase-ultimate-rewards/1455785-chase-closes-ink-bold-takes-more-than-380-000-urs.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/chase-ultimate-rewards/1502397-word-caution-closed-accounts-chase-gcs-additional-employees.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/chase-ultimate-rewards/1338795-if-chase-closes-account-takes-away-ur-can-they-take-away-swa-ua-points.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/chase-ultimate-rewards/1338617-nervous-about-high-ultimate-rewards-balance.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/chase-ultimate-rewards/1321532-chase-closed-my-credit-cards-consolidated.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/chase-ultimate-rewards/1458479-chase-closing-me-down.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/chase-ultimate-rewards/1457066-chase-closed-my-oldest-card.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/chase-ultimate-rewards/1079792-after-being-banned-chase-any-success-story.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/chase-ultimate-rewards/1503439-chase-ink-got-closed-what-should-i-do.html
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3571 on: October 14, 2013, 10:16:40 PM »
If more people in certain neighborhoods eat fatty foods, there will be more fat people in those neighborhoods.

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3572 on: October 14, 2013, 10:17:50 PM »
Please remember, just because you are paranoid doesn’t mean they are not out to get you.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3573 on: October 14, 2013, 10:19:11 PM »
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/chase-ultimate-rewards/1351216-chase-closed-anyones-account-1mil-ur.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/chase-ultimate-rewards/1427844-chase-closed-my-sapphire-account-took-ur-points-help.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/chase-ultimate-rewards/1375863-my-wife-blacklisted-chase.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/chase-ultimate-rewards/1441749-have-you-been-blacklisted-chase.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/chase-ultimate-rewards/1345937-know-anyone-whose-chase-account-closed-successfuly-re-applied.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/chase-ultimate-rewards/1478101-chase-perk-abuse.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/chase-ultimate-rewards/1509123-chase-shutdown-one-all-cards.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/chase-ultimate-rewards/1455785-chase-closes-ink-bold-takes-more-than-380-000-urs.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/chase-ultimate-rewards/1502397-word-caution-closed-accounts-chase-gcs-additional-employees.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/chase-ultimate-rewards/1338795-if-chase-closes-account-takes-away-ur-can-they-take-away-swa-ua-points.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/chase-ultimate-rewards/1338617-nervous-about-high-ultimate-rewards-balance.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/chase-ultimate-rewards/1321532-chase-closed-my-credit-cards-consolidated.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/chase-ultimate-rewards/1458479-chase-closing-me-down.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/chase-ultimate-rewards/1457066-chase-closed-my-oldest-card.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/chase-ultimate-rewards/1079792-after-being-banned-chase-any-success-story.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/chase-ultimate-rewards/1503439-chase-ink-got-closed-what-should-i-do.html
Is that all you got?  :)
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3574 on: October 14, 2013, 10:21:14 PM »
If more people in certain neighborhoods eat fatty foods, there will be more fat people in those neighborhoods.
Amen.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3575 on: October 14, 2013, 10:22:22 PM »
Is that all you got?  :)
That was page 1...next he'll say that nobody on FWF got shut down :P

Violate enough triggers and you can join the club too folks.  Or as CV would say, hakana matata and move on.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3576 on: October 14, 2013, 10:32:56 PM »
Seriously, if you guys can't cut the baloney and jewish targeting nonsense I'm tempted to lock this thread.
People who aren't need to stop pretending to be a mumcheh.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/chase-ultimate-rewards/1396906-chase-closed-my-sapphire-preferred-account-due-transfers-other-ur-accounts.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/chase-ultimate-rewards/1351216-chase-closed-anyones-account-1mil-ur.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/chase-ultimate-rewards/1427844-chase-closed-my-sapphire-account-took-ur-points-help.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/chase-ultimate-rewards/1375863-my-wife-blacklisted-chase.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/chase-ultimate-rewards/1441749-have-you-been-blacklisted-chase.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/chase-ultimate-rewards/1345937-know-anyone-whose-chase-account-closed-successfuly-re-applied.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/chase-ultimate-rewards/1478101-chase-perk-abuse.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/chase-ultimate-rewards/1509123-chase-shutdown-one-all-cards.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/chase-ultimate-rewards/1455785-chase-closes-ink-bold-takes-more-than-380-000-urs.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/chase-ultimate-rewards/1502397-word-caution-closed-accounts-chase-gcs-additional-employees.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/chase-ultimate-rewards/1338795-if-chase-closes-account-takes-away-ur-can-they-take-away-swa-ua-points.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/chase-ultimate-rewards/1338617-nervous-about-high-ultimate-rewards-balance.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/chase-ultimate-rewards/1321532-chase-closed-my-credit-cards-consolidated.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/chase-ultimate-rewards/1458479-chase-closing-me-down.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/chase-ultimate-rewards/1457066-chase-closed-my-oldest-card.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/chase-ultimate-rewards/1079792-after-being-banned-chase-any-success-story.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/chase-ultimate-rewards/1503439-chase-ink-got-closed-what-should-i-do.html
Again Dan.....  Aggravation for nothing... No one says they target jews BUT jewish areas (that are full with people who join the CC game.. shahhhhhhhhhh)
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3577 on: October 14, 2013, 10:34:00 PM »
Again Dan.....  Aggravation for nothing... No one says they target jews BUT jewish areas (that are full with people who join the CC game.. shahhhhhhhhhh)
If more people in certain neighborhoods eat fatty foods, there will be more fat people in those neighborhoods.
It's no secret that there are tons of brokers in these neighborhoods, etc.
Stay clear of the triggers (and family of people who trip the triggers) and I don't think there's anything to worry about.

And as far as "no one" how about this for one: https://twitter.com/LkwdNews/status/389873186705117184
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3578 on: October 14, 2013, 10:49:01 PM »
It's no secret that there are tons of brokers in these neighborhoods, etc.
Stay clear of the triggers (and family of people who trip the triggers) and I don't think there's anything to worry about.

And as far as "no one" how about this for one: https://twitter.com/LkwdNews/status/389873186705117184
Dan have a business checking account with another bank not chase for many many years and they decided to close the account without any normal reason should I be worried about my Chase UR credit accounts or does it have nothing to do with this? thanks

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3579 on: October 14, 2013, 10:55:26 PM »
Dan have a business checking account with another bank not chase for many many years and they decided to close the account without any normal reason should I be worried about my Chase UR credit accounts or does it have nothing to do with this? thanks
I don't see how that would matter.
Why did they shut you down?
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