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Q: Hi, I searched all over the internet for an active link of the Chase American Airlines credit card and couldn't find one. How did you guys manage to get this card?
A: Ha ha... There's (currently) no co-branded Chase AA credit card, this thread is discussing 'Chase Adverse Action'. As a general rule, AA refers to 'American Airlines', while A/A refers to 'Adverse Action'.

Q: What does Chase A/A look like? Can I do something to prevent that from happening? And once I'm hit, is there anything I can do to get back in the game?
A: To better address all the questions and concerns, we'll divide it in three sections:

1) What Are The Triggers?
2) What Happens?
3) How To Get Back

What Are The Triggers?

Basically, there are two possibilities that might trigger a Chase A/A:
Credit Related Risk
-Opening too many new cards in a short period of time, (even from other banks, and even being added as an additional user is considered as opening a new account, even a spike in your total CL even from being  additional user has been a trigger for many people - Dec 2013);
-A sudden excessive use of your cards;
-Maxing out your available credit limit.
-Buying large amounts of Chase GC (most people didn't have problems but lately some people are getting shut down for this).
Of course, there is no general rule with these things, it mostly varies by your particular credit file and worthiness.

Perk Abuse
-Transferring Ultimate Rewards points to someone else's account other than your spouse or domestic partner;
 both, the sender and the recipient, are at risk of A/A.
-Abuse of the 5% cashback bonus on the AARP card.

What Happens?

Q: What does a Chase A/A look like? How do I know whether I was shut down or not?
A: If you can't access your online account on chase.com, this is not A/A.
    When you encounter such a thing it could be because 1) the website is undergoing maintenance - wait till the site is back up; 2) a sever error - try using
    different browser
; 3) you didn't log in to your account for a while - call the number on the back of your card; 4) a security concern (resulted by a large QuickPay
    transfer or similar - call the number on the back of your card.
    When you get hit by A/A, you'll see a message above your account "Your account is closed and no longer available for use. If you have a balance remaining on the account, please continue to
    make monthly payments by the due date."; your card will no longer work; and within 7 days you'll receive a letter in the mail notifying you of the closure and the reason to it.
Q: Do they close down all my cards or just one?
A: If your shutdown was a result of 'credit related risk', they usually close all your credit card accounts, while with 'perk abusers' they used to shut down all of your cards (April '12), but lately, it is limited to the accounts involved in the abuse.
Q: Do they shut down other accounts such as checking, savings or investment accounts?
A: Lately people are reporting getting their checking account closed when getting A/A'd.
Q: Once my card is closed, can I still access my points?
A: Again there's a difference whats the reason your account was closed. Ironically, if its because of 'credit risk', your points will be forfeited, (and that used to be the case with 'perk abusers' during the April '12 A/A wave), but if its because of 'perk abuse', you'll get a certain amount of time (from 2 to 90 days - as specified on your letter) to transfer or redeem your points.

How To Get Back

Q: Once one was shut down, is there any point of calling  customer service or any other department and try to convince them to reopen the closed accounts?
A: If your account was closed due to 'perk abuse' there is -almost- no way to convince them to reopen it (unless there was an error, and you really didn't commit any violations of the
     terms and conditions).
     But if your account was closed for credit related reasons, you might have luck by calling the executive dept. 1888-622-7547 and trying to explain them why it might've looked like your at risk of default, but in fact, there is nothing to worry about. But of course YMMV with this.
Q: Can I apply for a new credit card after my accounts were closed?
A: Yes. There are a multiple reports of people being approved for a new Chase card after waiting a few months and applying again. But some were not that lucky, and some had their new accounts closed a few days after approval.
« Last edited by Iz on March 22, 2017, 11:26:51 PM »

Poll

Have You Been A/A'ed?

Yes, I've Been Shut Down And Received 1 Cent Per Point :(
10 (1.6%)
Yes, I've Been Shut Down And Received Nothing For My Points >:(
62 (10%)
No (Bli Ayin Horah)
455 (73.4%)
I Was Shut Down But Was Able To Get Reopened After Appeal
24 (3.9%)
Yes, I've Been Shut Down But Was Able To Transfer Points To Miles
69 (11.1%)

Total Members Voted: 618

Author Topic: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)  (Read 1709319 times)

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5080 on: August 21, 2014, 10:40:32 PM »
how long after a A/A can I reapply?

I received an A/A in June 2011 and finally after 3 years and 1 month of repeated denials to open new cards, I was finally approved for a Sapphire.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5081 on: August 21, 2014, 10:51:51 PM »

Accounts still up and running? Wow! Congrats!
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5082 on: August 24, 2014, 01:53:07 AM »
My income is 50k and total credit from all banks is 70k, 25k from Chase.
Am I at risk?

Do the experts here think it would be smart to call up some banks to lower my CLs?
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5083 on: August 24, 2014, 04:16:30 AM »
My income is 50k and total credit from all banks is 70k, 25k from Chase.
Am I at risk?

Do the experts here think it would be smart to call up some banks to lower my CLs?
That's major risk!!! Take action before ....

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5084 on: August 24, 2014, 06:50:31 AM »
That's major risk!!! Take action before ....
Can I keep the 25k with Chase and just lower my CLs with other banks, or I have to cut down on both.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5085 on: August 24, 2014, 06:56:39 AM »
Can I keep the 25k with Chase and just lower my CLs with other banks, or I have to cut down on both.
There's no absolute rule...YMMV... Nobody really knows what will trigger what. But just keep it as conservative as you can.

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5086 on: August 24, 2014, 03:58:50 PM »
My income is 50k and total credit from all banks is 70k, 25k from Chase.
Am I at risk?

Do the experts here think it would be smart to call up some banks to lower my CLs?

Not an expert, but why can't you just "raise" your income to 80k? Do a CLI request and they'll ask you your income.

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5087 on: August 25, 2014, 01:02:14 AM »
Some on these forums think your max CL shuld be 100% of income.  which in your case is a total of 50K.  I wouldn't actually lower my CL directly.  I would close cc's and not move my CL to a new card. 
If you like credit with chase, close other cards.  especially those with AFs.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5088 on: August 25, 2014, 11:53:27 AM »

Happened to me my wife was innocent and she got shut because of me
+1

All the ridiculous amount of MS had been done on my cards (100K in two months with reported annual income of 68K) and my wife's were closed the se day as mine were.

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5089 on: August 25, 2014, 11:55:40 AM »
+1

All the ridiculous amount of MS had been done on my cards (100K in two months with reported annual income of 68K) and my wife's were closed the se day as mine were.
Can't blame chase for considering you a risk.... That's alot

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Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5090 on: August 25, 2014, 11:59:08 AM »
Agreed.
I never blamed them :)

Not saying I'm happy about it, but I have no taanes.

I knew it could be coming any time.

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5091 on: August 25, 2014, 01:08:24 PM »
Regarding the total available credit to income risk.

Since business CC don't show on the CR, would business CCs from other banks be excluded?
Meaning, does Chase see my business CCs I have from other banks?
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5092 on: August 25, 2014, 08:42:08 PM »

Regarding the total available credit to income risk.

Since business CC don't show on the CR, would business CCs from other banks be excluded?
Meaning, does Chase see my business CCs I have from other banks?
No clear answer as to how they look at it,

They did mention my IP when they detailed my CL and they did not mention my citi/Amex business cards,

But they might've seen it and decided not  to mention it.

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5093 on: August 25, 2014, 09:02:32 PM »
No clear answer as to how they look at it,

They did mention my IP when they detailed my CL and they did not mention my citi/Amex business cards,

But they might've seen it and decided not  to mention it.

They can't see it period. Some back like capital one does report biz credit on the report.

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5094 on: August 25, 2014, 09:26:00 PM »
They can't see it period. Some back like capital one does report biz credit on the report.
AFAIK a bank can check your biz credit report and most likely see everything though thy don't look on biz reports regularly 

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5095 on: August 26, 2014, 12:44:33 AM »
AFAIK a bank can check your biz credit report and most likely see everything though thy don't look on biz reports regularly
I believe a business credit report goes by business and not by person. Meaning, they can see that my business has -let say- 6 CCs but they shouldn't see who took responsibility on the application, it may be my partner. Please CMIIW.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5096 on: August 26, 2014, 09:26:06 PM »
So I got the shutdown letter for each of my accounts

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RAPID INCREASE IN REVOLVING BALANCES
TOO MANY ACCOUNTS OPENED RECENTLY
TOO MANY REQUESTS FOR CREDIT OR / REVIEWS OF CREDIT

1) Anything I can appeal?

2) I have around 200K of UR between three cards, can I consolidate them into one card & transfer them to my wifes UR account? I'm afraid of triggering a shutdown of her account (our joint checking didn't get shut down)

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5097 on: August 26, 2014, 09:31:36 PM »
So I got the shutdown letter for each of my accounts

1) Anything I can appeal?

2) I have around 200K of UR between three cards, can I consolidate them into one card & transfer them to my wifes UR account? I'm afraid of triggering a shutdown of her account (our joint checking didn't get shut down)
Dump the UR into a United (or another airline) account under your name ASAP

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5098 on: August 26, 2014, 09:34:36 PM »
Dump the UR into a United (or another airline) account under your name ASAP
Thanks, but are you saying that based on personal experience?

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5099 on: August 26, 2014, 09:40:49 PM »
Oiy, meshugener I just read the bad news about your shut down. I really feel bad for you.

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