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Q: Hi, I searched all over the internet for an active link of the Chase American Airlines credit card and couldn't find one. How did you guys manage to get this card?
A: Ha ha... There's (currently) no co-branded Chase AA credit card, this thread is discussing 'Chase Adverse Action'. As a general rule, AA refers to 'American Airlines', while A/A refers to 'Adverse Action'.

Q: What does Chase A/A look like? Can I do something to prevent that from happening? And once I'm hit, is there anything I can do to get back in the game?
A: To better address all the questions and concerns, we'll divide it in three sections:

1) What Are The Triggers?
2) What Happens?
3) How To Get Back

What Are The Triggers?

Basically, there are two possibilities that might trigger a Chase A/A:
Credit Related Risk
-Opening too many new cards in a short period of time, (even from other banks, and even being added as an additional user is considered as opening a new account, even a spike in your total CL even from being  additional user has been a trigger for many people - Dec 2013);
-A sudden excessive use of your cards;
-Maxing out your available credit limit.
-Buying large amounts of Chase GC (most people didn't have problems but lately some people are getting shut down for this).
Of course, there is no general rule with these things, it mostly varies by your particular credit file and worthiness.

Perk Abuse
-Transferring Ultimate Rewards points to someone else's account other than your spouse or domestic partner;
 both, the sender and the recipient, are at risk of A/A.
-Abuse of the 5% cashback bonus on the AARP card.

What Happens?

Q: What does a Chase A/A look like? How do I know whether I was shut down or not?
A: If you can't access your online account on chase.com, this is not A/A.
    When you encounter such a thing it could be because 1) the website is undergoing maintenance - wait till the site is back up; 2) a sever error - try using
    different browser
; 3) you didn't log in to your account for a while - call the number on the back of your card; 4) a security concern (resulted by a large QuickPay
    transfer or similar - call the number on the back of your card.
    When you get hit by A/A, you'll see a message above your account "Your account is closed and no longer available for use. If you have a balance remaining on the account, please continue to
    make monthly payments by the due date."; your card will no longer work; and within 7 days you'll receive a letter in the mail notifying you of the closure and the reason to it.
Q: Do they close down all my cards or just one?
A: If your shutdown was a result of 'credit related risk', they usually close all your credit card accounts, while with 'perk abusers' they used to shut down all of your cards (April '12), but lately, it is limited to the accounts involved in the abuse.
Q: Do they shut down other accounts such as checking, savings or investment accounts?
A: Lately people are reporting getting their checking account closed when getting A/A'd.
Q: Once my card is closed, can I still access my points?
A: Again there's a difference whats the reason your account was closed. Ironically, if its because of 'credit risk', your points will be forfeited, (and that used to be the case with 'perk abusers' during the April '12 A/A wave), but if its because of 'perk abuse', you'll get a certain amount of time (from 2 to 90 days - as specified on your letter) to transfer or redeem your points.

How To Get Back

Q: Once one was shut down, is there any point of calling  customer service or any other department and try to convince them to reopen the closed accounts?
A: If your account was closed due to 'perk abuse' there is -almost- no way to convince them to reopen it (unless there was an error, and you really didn't commit any violations of the
     terms and conditions).
     But if your account was closed for credit related reasons, you might have luck by calling the executive dept. 1888-622-7547 and trying to explain them why it might've looked like your at risk of default, but in fact, there is nothing to worry about. But of course YMMV with this.
Q: Can I apply for a new credit card after my accounts were closed?
A: Yes. There are a multiple reports of people being approved for a new Chase card after waiting a few months and applying again. But some were not that lucky, and some had their new accounts closed a few days after approval.
« Last edited by Iz on March 22, 2017, 11:26:51 PM »

Poll

Have You Been A/A'ed?

Yes, I've Been Shut Down And Received 1 Cent Per Point :(
10 (1.6%)
Yes, I've Been Shut Down And Received Nothing For My Points >:(
62 (10%)
No (Bli Ayin Horah)
455 (73.4%)
I Was Shut Down But Was Able To Get Reopened After Appeal
24 (3.9%)
Yes, I've Been Shut Down But Was Able To Transfer Points To Miles
69 (11.1%)

Total Members Voted: 618

Author Topic: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)  (Read 1708087 times)

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5400 on: January 20, 2015, 10:57:34 PM »

will the closed accounts show on my Credit reprot?
It'll show as "closed by issuer" no big deal for itself if the report is otherwise fine

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5401 on: January 20, 2015, 11:05:08 PM »
It'll show as "closed by issuer" no big deal for itself if the report is otherwise fine
These are business cards. They will show on the report?
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5402 on: January 20, 2015, 11:09:11 PM »

These are business cards. They will show on the report?
My bad, didn't realize it's business..

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5403 on: January 21, 2015, 10:56:53 AM »
if i sell miles to a cash for miles company is that considered transfering points to a third party or do they know how to do it with no issues?

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5404 on: January 21, 2015, 11:05:22 AM »
if i sell miles to a cash for miles company is that considered transfering points to a third party or do they know how to do it with no issues?
Depends what they do... You need to be asking them

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5405 on: January 21, 2015, 01:00:28 PM »
1. My wife doesn't have any chase cards, it it safe for her to apply after my A/A?

2. Will my personal Checking get shut down?
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5406 on: January 21, 2015, 01:42:59 PM »
Depends what they do... You need to be asking them
what is ideal for me the seller to request. I should ask them to transfer it to a mileage account?  Meaning what is the safest thing for them to do with the account so that I don't get A/A'd

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5407 on: January 21, 2015, 01:47:15 PM »
what is ideal for me the seller to request. I should ask them to transfer it to a mileage account?  Meaning what is the safest thing for them to do with the account so that I don't get A/A'd
worst is to transfer points for one card to an other, best thing is to transfer to your traveling account, IE UA, BA ect. and book a ticket from there.   

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5408 on: January 21, 2015, 01:48:25 PM »
1. My wife doesn't have any chase cards, it it safe for her to apply after my A/A?

2. Will my personal Checking get shut down?
1. It shouldn't be a problem.
2. You have to ask them they do what they want. 

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5409 on: January 21, 2015, 06:29:16 PM »
I just got approved for the chase ritz carlton card after chase closed all of my accounts 1 year ago should I be scared to use it . what should watch out not to be aa again ? I used it and I got my points ?
how's it going card still open ?

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5410 on: January 21, 2015, 06:32:57 PM »
I applied for my wife first because I am being more careful with my credit which is way older then hers  and prefer to risk a pull on her credit rather than mine.

I just logged into her old chase account and it is still showing a SW account that is closed since A/A 11 months ago, and the new Hyatt account is showing up as well.
Will se what the next week brings.
any update with your wife's account still open?

why did u go on the Hyatt first . any specific reason?

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Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5411 on: January 22, 2015, 11:07:49 PM »
any update with your wife's account still open?
B"H
Ka'h.
(And mine now too Ka'h).
why did u go on the Hyatt first . any specific reason?
Four reasons.
GHK: sun, mon, tues, wed.
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Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5412 on: January 23, 2015, 10:59:15 AM »
our reasons.
GHK: sun, mon, tues, wed.
:-D

Had been planning a different trip and were dreaming about how nice it would be to do GHK again instead, so I checked out this thread and saw that there had been a couple of success stories recently so I gave it a shot and b"H our room at GHK is now booked.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5413 on: January 28, 2015, 08:45:14 AM »
My friend just got A/Aed.  :'(

He had general credit history since 2011. In 2013 he got some CC (not sure which) and his total credit limit was $3500. Then, 1 month ago he got his first Chase card and then last week went for a 2BM with Chase. All 3 Chase cards were instant approvals, and his Chase overall CL was $40K with reported income of about $60K.

He called up and was told that his "credit line is too high and that there is not enough credit history to support those credit lines". He was also told that this was only picked up after a periodic review of his account? Why was his account chosen for "periodic review"? The only thing he can think of is that while trying to load RedCard, he was turned down at the register (like all of us) but then before calling up the fraud dept to clear it up, he kept trying to swipe the card at the register.

Unfortunately, he was so fresh to the game. I feel badly for him.

His only Q at this point is - will the closed cards look bad on his CR and will time fix that issue?

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5414 on: January 28, 2015, 08:46:05 AM »
Did he sell points? Transfer ur?

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5415 on: January 28, 2015, 09:03:04 AM »
Did he sell points? Transfer ur?
Nope, he never even earned any. He was doing his spending, but the points hadn't posted yet.

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5416 on: January 28, 2015, 10:12:38 AM »
His only Q at this point is - will the closed cards look bad on his CR and will time fix that issue?

Same as every other time this question has been asked.

On a manual review it may prompt questions.

Dead accounts fall off CR after ten years.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5417 on: January 28, 2015, 10:22:35 AM »
Why was his account chosen for "periodic review"?
Most accounts go through this.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5418 on: January 28, 2015, 10:50:47 AM »
Same as every other time this question has been asked.

On a manual review it may prompt questions.

Dead accounts fall off CR after ten years.
Sorry, I've never really looked at this thread and didn't search now.

So then dead accounts could affect his score and chances at a lower mortgage rate for 10 years? Interestingly, I know someone else that got A/Aed and he doesn't see anything on his CR and recently got approved for a good mortgage rate.

Most accounts go through this.
Oh, then maybe the Target issue was nothing.

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5419 on: January 28, 2015, 11:27:03 AM »
Sorry, I've never really looked at this thread and didn't search now.

So then dead accounts could affect his score and chances at a lower mortgage rate for 10 years? Interestingly, I know someone else that got A/Aed and he doesn't see anything on his CR and recently got approved for a good mortgage rate.

Dead accounts will hurt him vis-a-vis an increase in utilization.

Your evidence of a friend getting a "good" mortgage, is nothing more than anecdotal. Further, your particular definition of "good" is immaterial. Last, for as much as you know, "good" could have been "great" had his accounts not been shut down.
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