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Q: Hi, I searched all over the internet for an active link of the Chase American Airlines credit card and couldn't find one. How did you guys manage to get this card?
A: Ha ha... There's (currently) no co-branded Chase AA credit card, this thread is discussing 'Chase Adverse Action'. As a general rule, AA refers to 'American Airlines', while A/A refers to 'Adverse Action'.

Q: What does Chase A/A look like? Can I do something to prevent that from happening? And once I'm hit, is there anything I can do to get back in the game?
A: To better address all the questions and concerns, we'll divide it in three sections:

1) What Are The Triggers?
2) What Happens?
3) How To Get Back

What Are The Triggers?

Basically, there are two possibilities that might trigger a Chase A/A:
Credit Related Risk
-Opening too many new cards in a short period of time, (even from other banks, and even being added as an additional user is considered as opening a new account, even a spike in your total CL even from being  additional user has been a trigger for many people - Dec 2013);
-A sudden excessive use of your cards;
-Maxing out your available credit limit.
-Buying large amounts of Chase GC (most people didn't have problems but lately some people are getting shut down for this).
Of course, there is no general rule with these things, it mostly varies by your particular credit file and worthiness.

Perk Abuse
-Transferring Ultimate Rewards points to someone else's account other than your spouse or domestic partner;
 both, the sender and the recipient, are at risk of A/A.
-Abuse of the 5% cashback bonus on the AARP card.

What Happens?

Q: What does a Chase A/A look like? How do I know whether I was shut down or not?
A: If you can't access your online account on chase.com, this is not A/A.
    When you encounter such a thing it could be because 1) the website is undergoing maintenance - wait till the site is back up; 2) a sever error - try using
    different browser
; 3) you didn't log in to your account for a while - call the number on the back of your card; 4) a security concern (resulted by a large QuickPay
    transfer or similar - call the number on the back of your card.
    When you get hit by A/A, you'll see a message above your account "Your account is closed and no longer available for use. If you have a balance remaining on the account, please continue to
    make monthly payments by the due date."; your card will no longer work; and within 7 days you'll receive a letter in the mail notifying you of the closure and the reason to it.
Q: Do they close down all my cards or just one?
A: If your shutdown was a result of 'credit related risk', they usually close all your credit card accounts, while with 'perk abusers' they used to shut down all of your cards (April '12), but lately, it is limited to the accounts involved in the abuse.
Q: Do they shut down other accounts such as checking, savings or investment accounts?
A: Lately people are reporting getting their checking account closed when getting A/A'd.
Q: Once my card is closed, can I still access my points?
A: Again there's a difference whats the reason your account was closed. Ironically, if its because of 'credit risk', your points will be forfeited, (and that used to be the case with 'perk abusers' during the April '12 A/A wave), but if its because of 'perk abuse', you'll get a certain amount of time (from 2 to 90 days - as specified on your letter) to transfer or redeem your points.

How To Get Back

Q: Once one was shut down, is there any point of calling  customer service or any other department and try to convince them to reopen the closed accounts?
A: If your account was closed due to 'perk abuse' there is -almost- no way to convince them to reopen it (unless there was an error, and you really didn't commit any violations of the
     terms and conditions).
     But if your account was closed for credit related reasons, you might have luck by calling the executive dept. 1888-622-7547 and trying to explain them why it might've looked like your at risk of default, but in fact, there is nothing to worry about. But of course YMMV with this.
Q: Can I apply for a new credit card after my accounts were closed?
A: Yes. There are a multiple reports of people being approved for a new Chase card after waiting a few months and applying again. But some were not that lucky, and some had their new accounts closed a few days after approval.
« Last edited by Iz on March 22, 2017, 11:26:51 PM »

Poll

Have You Been A/A'ed?

Yes, I've Been Shut Down And Received 1 Cent Per Point :(
10 (1.6%)
Yes, I've Been Shut Down And Received Nothing For My Points >:(
62 (10%)
No (Bli Ayin Horah)
455 (73.4%)
I Was Shut Down But Was Able To Get Reopened After Appeal
24 (3.9%)
Yes, I've Been Shut Down But Was Able To Transfer Points To Miles
69 (11.1%)

Total Members Voted: 618

Author Topic: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)  (Read 1700193 times)

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Re: Chase shutting down a large number of bank accounts
« Reply #5560 on: February 18, 2015, 02:13:42 AM »
There were only 100 complaints between DDF & that other site ? Doesn't sound right. :)
I'd venture to say that a good portion of the shutdowns were undoubtedly justified so they just "stuck a fork in it"

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Re: Chase shutting down a large number of bank accounts
« Reply #5561 on: February 18, 2015, 05:21:34 AM »
http://www.collive.com/show_news.rtx?id=34281&alias=lawsuit-chase-froze-out-my-life

Good luck with NYC SCC. Ive done it and it's brutal. Unfortunately I had wrong information thinking that a lawyer of the company cant be present, so I went full force against Sears. On the first court date, the lawyer called me before that he needs to adjourn the case because he can"t make it and he'll request from the judge a later date, so I dont need to schlepp to court (nice guy, no?). Next date, his partner asked for an adjourment because he didn't have time to review the case......this was after 12 months (I can't even laugh). Basically, the third court date, i just didn't appear, I'm not going to be involved in this mafia game called "adjourment". Of course it costed a lot of laywer billable hours for Sears, which I'm glad.

Now, I opened a new case in LA (as long as the company has a presence there you can call them there) and in LA the company can't send a lawyer (very-mportant only a handful of places won't allow a lawyer) i hope they will settle withme before I need to fly down to LA (AA321's im looking at you). They wanted to settle in NY for gift cards, but I dont want, they owe cash, and I want it in cash.

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Re: Chase shutting down a large number of bank accounts
« Reply #5562 on: February 18, 2015, 05:48:15 AM »
They wanted to settle in NY for gift cards,  .
were they offering more than 100% of the value that you are claiming? not worth it to just take it and lose 15% through reselling?
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they owe cash, and I want it in cash
can i ask in what range this is that its worth all this trouble on both of your ends?

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Re: Chase shutting down a large number of bank accounts
« Reply #5563 on: February 18, 2015, 06:01:21 AM »
were they offering more than 100% of the value that you are claiming? not worth it to just take it and lose 15% through reselling?  can i ask in what range this is that its worth all this trouble on both of your ends?

Original amount is $4500. They wanted to pay $4500 in GC's. Im now suing for 5K becasue of interest and fees.

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Re: Chase shutting down a large number of bank accounts
« Reply #5564 on: February 18, 2015, 08:46:27 AM »
They can't prove I'm structuring deposits that way. Maybe I only make $9500 a day.

& what about this ?  "In some cases the irs seized & held bank accounts for years without bringing charges."
Did they need to prove intent for structuring?

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Re: Chase shutting down a large number of bank accounts
« Reply #5565 on: February 18, 2015, 08:51:28 AM »
Did they need to prove intent for structuring?
Apparently they don't have to prove anything. They've given themselves the power to seize accounts for the slightest suspicion, & just hold onto it without ever bringing charges. (Sounds like something the Bolivian government would do)

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Re: Chase shutting down a large number of bank accounts
« Reply #5566 on: February 18, 2015, 08:53:06 AM »
Good luck with NYC SCC. Ive done it and it's brutal. Unfortunately I had wrong information thinking that a lawyer of the company cant be present, so I went full force against Sears. On the first court date, the lawyer called me before that he needs to adjourn the case because he can"t make it and he'll request from the judge a later date, so I dont need to schlepp to court (nice guy, no?). Next date, his partner asked for an adjourment because he didn't have time to review the case......this was after 12 months (I can't even laugh). Basically, the third court date, i just didn't appear, I'm not going to be involved in this mafia game called "adjourment". Of course it costed a lot of laywer billable hours for Sears, which I'm glad.

Now, I opened a new case in LA (as long as the company has a presence there you can call them there) and in LA the company can't send a lawyer (very-mportant only a handful of places won't allow a lawyer) i hope they will settle withme before I need to fly down to LA (AA321's im looking at you). They wanted to settle in NY for gift cards, but I dont want, they owe cash, and I want it in cash.
Sounds like he's better off waiting the 10 business days for his money.

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5567 on: February 18, 2015, 01:23:04 PM »
From collive

Update, Wednesday 11:45 am:

A representative from Chase Bank has contacted Shidler and said they "made a mistake" in closing the account.

Shidler is relieved that his account has been reopened, but says the lawsuit will remain in place. 

"If they think that as soon as something gets media attention then they will answer their customers...that's not enough," Shidler told COLlive after receiving the phone call. "What about all the people who didn't get their accounts back? I'm suing for them. The bank needs to know that this kind of behavior is unacceptable."

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Re: Chase shutting down a large number of bank accounts
« Reply #5568 on: February 18, 2015, 03:48:16 PM »
Did they need to prove intent for structuring?
As defined by law "structuring" is illegal and no intent needs to be shown. They would be hard pressed to get a conviction if they could not show intent.
I just found a new supply of forks!

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5569 on: February 19, 2015, 11:17:46 AM »
FYI

being A/Aed last Jan for "charges inconsistent with T&C". all personal and business CC accounts including wife's were closed in 3 months time frame. it was a torture.  Just applied for Sapphire Preferred card, no instant approval, but got it after calling the credit analyst. can I assume that I have been taken back by Chase or not? 

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5570 on: February 19, 2015, 12:06:05 PM »
FYI

being A/Aed last Jan for "charges inconsistent with T&C". all personal and business CC accounts including wife's were closed in 3 months time frame. it was a torture.  Just applied for Sapphire Preferred card, no instant approval, but got it after calling the credit analyst. can I assume that I have been taken back by Chase or not? 



Same thing just happened to me. A/Aed last year for me and my wife. Applied now for chase ink plus, BA, and a sapphire, no instant approval, all reps on the phones said I am blocked by the main system and cant allow approval. I wrote a letter to chase executive office, they declined my wife and my ink plus for previous bad relationship with the bank but approved 2 personal cards for me

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5571 on: February 19, 2015, 01:45:07 PM »
Same thing just happened to me. A/Aed last year for me and my wife. Applied now for chase ink plus, BA, and a sapphire, no instant approval, all reps on the phones said I am blocked by the main system and cant allow approval. I wrote a letter to chase executive office, they declined my wife and my ink plus for previous bad relationship with the bank but approved 2 personal cards for me

Glad to know that at least they let you have personal cards.  how long have you had them?  I read somewhere that people got approval, but they received account closure letter along with  their new cards in mail together. Definitely hope this is not  the case for me.  When I talked to the recon, the guy over the phone did not say anything about my history with Chase. maybe it is good sign. :)

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5572 on: February 19, 2015, 02:47:08 PM »
From collive

Update, Wednesday 11:45 am:

A representative from Chase Bank has contacted Shidler and said they "made a mistake" in closing the account.

Shidler is relieved that his account has been reopened, but says the lawsuit will remain in place.

"If they think that as soon as something gets media attention then they will answer their customers...that's not enough," Shidler told COLlive after receiving the phone call. "What about all the people who didn't get their accounts back? I'm suing for them. The bank needs to know that this kind of behavior is unacceptable."
Seems like social media might be one way to get back in the door.

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5573 on: February 19, 2015, 02:49:42 PM »
Glad to know that at least they let you have personal cards.  how long have you had them?  I read somewhere that people got approval, but they received account closure letter along with  their new cards in mail together. Definitely hope this is not  the case for me.  When I talked to the recon, the guy over the phone did not say anything about my history with Chase. maybe it is good sign. :)
Do you think it is better after A/A to apply for personal over biz?

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5574 on: February 19, 2015, 02:50:57 PM »
Applied for a Chase United Mileage Explorer business card, was declined due to: Not enough credit history for this business, 7 cards opened in the past 12 months, and a few other similar such reasons. Any risk they will view me as a high risk customer and be subject to an A/A?

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5575 on: February 19, 2015, 02:52:43 PM »
Applied for a Chase United Mileage Explorer business card, was declined due to: Not enough credit history for this business, 7 cards opened in the past 12 months, and a few other similar such reasons. Any risk they will view me as a high risk customer and be subject to an A/A?
For those reasons you get declined, not A/A'd.

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5576 on: February 25, 2015, 01:30:49 PM »
For those reasons you get declined, not A/A'd.
after many HUCA i had rep declined my app and he said that he sent my info to a manger to review my relationship with the bank because i applied and closed many cards last year and i'm abusing the system   

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5577 on: February 25, 2015, 01:45:18 PM »
For those reasons you get declined, not A/A'd.
What's considered "sudden spike in CL/opening too many cc's?"

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5578 on: February 25, 2015, 09:36:28 PM »
 ;) not the first time

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5579 on: March 04, 2015, 10:56:20 PM »
I want to write a letter as HUCA ain't working. I have a credit score near 780 and have never been late on a payment. They shut me down 6 months ago and when I applied now I was declined. Anyone have the address of who I can write to..? Much appreciated !