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Q: Hi, I searched all over the internet for an active link of the Chase American Airlines credit card and couldn't find one. How did you guys manage to get this card?
A: Ha ha... There's (currently) no co-branded Chase AA credit card, this thread is discussing 'Chase Adverse Action'. As a general rule, AA refers to 'American Airlines', while A/A refers to 'Adverse Action'.

Q: What does Chase A/A look like? Can I do something to prevent that from happening? And once I'm hit, is there anything I can do to get back in the game?
A: To better address all the questions and concerns, we'll divide it in three sections:

1) What Are The Triggers?
2) What Happens?
3) How To Get Back

What Are The Triggers?

Basically, there are two possibilities that might trigger a Chase A/A:
Credit Related Risk
-Opening too many new cards in a short period of time, (even from other banks, and even being added as an additional user is considered as opening a new account, even a spike in your total CL even from being  additional user has been a trigger for many people - Dec 2013);
-A sudden excessive use of your cards;
-Maxing out your available credit limit.
-Buying large amounts of Chase GC (most people didn't have problems but lately some people are getting shut down for this).
Of course, there is no general rule with these things, it mostly varies by your particular credit file and worthiness.

Perk Abuse
-Transferring Ultimate Rewards points to someone else's account other than your spouse or domestic partner;
 both, the sender and the recipient, are at risk of A/A.
-Abuse of the 5% cashback bonus on the AARP card.

What Happens?

Q: What does a Chase A/A look like? How do I know whether I was shut down or not?
A: If you can't access your online account on chase.com, this is not A/A.
    When you encounter such a thing it could be because 1) the website is undergoing maintenance - wait till the site is back up; 2) a sever error - try using
    different browser
; 3) you didn't log in to your account for a while - call the number on the back of your card; 4) a security concern (resulted by a large QuickPay
    transfer or similar - call the number on the back of your card.
    When you get hit by A/A, you'll see a message above your account "Your account is closed and no longer available for use. If you have a balance remaining on the account, please continue to
    make monthly payments by the due date."; your card will no longer work; and within 7 days you'll receive a letter in the mail notifying you of the closure and the reason to it.
Q: Do they close down all my cards or just one?
A: If your shutdown was a result of 'credit related risk', they usually close all your credit card accounts, while with 'perk abusers' they used to shut down all of your cards (April '12), but lately, it is limited to the accounts involved in the abuse.
Q: Do they shut down other accounts such as checking, savings or investment accounts?
A: Lately people are reporting getting their checking account closed when getting A/A'd.
Q: Once my card is closed, can I still access my points?
A: Again there's a difference whats the reason your account was closed. Ironically, if its because of 'credit risk', your points will be forfeited, (and that used to be the case with 'perk abusers' during the April '12 A/A wave), but if its because of 'perk abuse', you'll get a certain amount of time (from 2 to 90 days - as specified on your letter) to transfer or redeem your points.

How To Get Back

Q: Once one was shut down, is there any point of calling  customer service or any other department and try to convince them to reopen the closed accounts?
A: If your account was closed due to 'perk abuse' there is -almost- no way to convince them to reopen it (unless there was an error, and you really didn't commit any violations of the
     terms and conditions).
     But if your account was closed for credit related reasons, you might have luck by calling the executive dept. 1888-622-7547 and trying to explain them why it might've looked like your at risk of default, but in fact, there is nothing to worry about. But of course YMMV with this.
Q: Can I apply for a new credit card after my accounts were closed?
A: Yes. There are a multiple reports of people being approved for a new Chase card after waiting a few months and applying again. But some were not that lucky, and some had their new accounts closed a few days after approval.
« Last edited by Iz on March 22, 2017, 11:26:51 PM »

Poll

Have You Been A/A'ed?

Yes, I've Been Shut Down And Received 1 Cent Per Point :(
10 (1.6%)
Yes, I've Been Shut Down And Received Nothing For My Points >:(
62 (10%)
No (Bli Ayin Horah)
455 (73.4%)
I Was Shut Down But Was Able To Get Reopened After Appeal
24 (3.9%)
Yes, I've Been Shut Down But Was Able To Transfer Points To Miles
69 (11.1%)

Total Members Voted: 618

Author Topic: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)  (Read 1709138 times)

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Re: Sellmilesnow.com
« Reply #5360 on: December 16, 2014, 02:19:35 PM »
Mileage accounts.
You sure there was NO UR->UR transfers at all?
You can say what you think when you think what you say.

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Re: Sellmilesnow.com
« Reply #5361 on: December 16, 2014, 02:24:27 PM »
You sure there was NO UR->UR transfers at all?

Yup. I just checked again. I did transfer some of my own UR from my consumer to my business account, but it should be under the same name. It's possible that one is under my wife's maiden name, but everything else (social security, address etc. is that same). You think that's what did it? If that's the reason, then maybe I should give them a call to argue. I just feel kinda stupid fighting the point when I did in fact sell over 600k of points.

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Re: Sellmilesnow.com
« Reply #5362 on: December 16, 2014, 02:26:37 PM »
Yup. I just checked again. I did transfer some of my own UR from my consumer to my business account, but it should be under the same name. It's possible that one is under my wife's maiden name, but everything else (social security, address etc. is that same). You think that's what did it? If that's the reason, then maybe I should give them a call to argue. I just feel kinda stupid fighting the point when I did in fact sell over 600k of points.
Not sure if you wanna bring attention to all your points.

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Re: Sellmilesnow.com
« Reply #5363 on: December 16, 2014, 02:36:19 PM »
Not sure if you wanna bring attention to all your points.

With Chase or on this board?

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Re: Sellmilesnow.com
« Reply #5364 on: December 16, 2014, 02:38:31 PM »
With Chase or on this board?
Chase. You could argue these but they might start looking at the other transfers.

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Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5365 on: January 04, 2015, 12:33:35 AM »
Last couple of weeks. Yes.
Still alive?
When your wife  got approval was it just a regular approval of an app, or did she have to contact exec office?

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Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5366 on: January 04, 2015, 08:06:11 AM »
Wife just got instant approval for Hyatt Visa.  A/A'd Feb 2014 because she's my wife and I was A/A'd for spending inconsistent with expected behavior (100K VRs in two months -- Good times -- reported income of 60K).

Hoping for the best...

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5367 on: January 04, 2015, 08:33:47 AM »
We need you to ANSWER questions, not ASK questions.
Are your cards still active? Did u get bonuses?

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5368 on: January 04, 2015, 09:40:36 AM »
Not sure if this is the right place to put this, but figured this was worth mentioning as a heads up. I recently sold my UR miles to a broker who transferred them out of my account over the course of a few weeks. I just received the following letter from Chase:

We reviewed your account and determined that some of your Chase Ultimate Rewards points were transferred improperly.

Ultimate Rewards points can only be transferred to you, your spouse/domestic partner or your joint business owner(s).

Your reward membership will end and your account will be closed if there are additional improper rewards transfers or there is any other misuse of the program or any misrepresentation by you.


Nice to see that they're giving a warning first.

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Re: Sellmilesnow.com
« Reply #5369 on: January 06, 2015, 11:35:57 AM »
Yup. I just checked again. I did transfer some of my own UR from my consumer to my business account, but it should be under the same name. It's possible that one is under my wife's maiden name, but everything else (social security, address etc. is that same). You think that's what did it? If that's the reason, then maybe I should give them a call to argue. I just feel kinda stupid fighting the point when I did in fact sell over 600k of points.

What's to fight/argue? Looks like all you got was a warning.

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5370 on: January 06, 2015, 06:20:27 PM »

Still alive?
When your wife  got approval was it just a regular approval of an app, or did she have to contact exec office?
Yes

Regular approval
Are your cards still active? Did u get bonuses?
Yes

Yes

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5371 on: January 06, 2015, 08:42:04 PM »
You think better odds going with wife first? What card is best chance to aplly for first after A/A?

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Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5372 on: January 06, 2015, 10:12:11 PM »
I applied for my wife first because I am being more careful with my credit which is way older then hers  and prefer to risk a pull on her credit rather than mine.

I just logged into her old chase account and it is still showing a SW account that is closed since A/A 11 months ago, and the new Hyatt account is showing up as well.
Will se what the next week brings.

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5373 on: January 10, 2015, 06:28:57 PM »
If I pay my Chase CC from a friend's bank account Via Bill pay, will I be at risk for A/A?

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5374 on: January 10, 2015, 07:01:40 PM »

If I pay my Chase CC from a friend's bank account Via Bill pay, will I be at risk for A/A?
Risk? Yes, huge risk? No.

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5375 on: January 10, 2015, 08:25:02 PM »
Risk? Yes, huge risk? No.
Can Chase tell who is the owner of the account when you push a payment?
I just found a new supply of forks!

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5376 on: January 10, 2015, 08:48:36 PM »
Can Chase tell who is the owner of the account when you push a payment?
When paying with a 3rd party check at the branch, Yes. (I was A/Ad as a result of it)
When paying over the phone and claiming you're an authorized signer on the bank account, (probably) not.
Bill pay is usually processed with a check or through a direct ACH from the payers account, which in either case Chase could probably see from where the payment originated.

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5377 on: January 10, 2015, 08:51:28 PM »
When paying over the phone and claiming you're an authorized signer on the bank account, (probably) not.
Bill pay is usually processed with a check or through a direct ACH from the payers account, which in either case Chase could probably see from where the payment originated.
I would think it's the opposite. But I have no proof either way. 

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5378 on: January 10, 2015, 08:51:56 PM »
If I pay my Chase CC from a friend's bank account Via Bill pay, will I be at risk for A/A?
Risk? Yes, huge risk? No.
Can Chase tell who is the owner of the account when you push a payment?
Bill pay is usually processed with a check or through a direct ACH from the payers account, which in either case Chase could probably see from where the payment originated.
Where but not who.
I just found a new supply of forks!

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5379 on: January 10, 2015, 08:53:37 PM »
Where but not who.
You mean the bank, but not the person?