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Q: Hi, I searched all over the internet for an active link of the Chase American Airlines credit card and couldn't find one. How did you guys manage to get this card?
A: Ha ha... There's (currently) no co-branded Chase AA credit card, this thread is discussing 'Chase Adverse Action'. As a general rule, AA refers to 'American Airlines', while A/A refers to 'Adverse Action'.

Q: What does Chase A/A look like? Can I do something to prevent that from happening? And once I'm hit, is there anything I can do to get back in the game?
A: To better address all the questions and concerns, we'll divide it in three sections:

1) What Are The Triggers?
2) What Happens?
3) How To Get Back

What Are The Triggers?

Basically, there are two possibilities that might trigger a Chase A/A:
Credit Related Risk
-Opening too many new cards in a short period of time, (even from other banks, and even being added as an additional user is considered as opening a new account, even a spike in your total CL even from being  additional user has been a trigger for many people - Dec 2013);
-A sudden excessive use of your cards;
-Maxing out your available credit limit.
-Buying large amounts of Chase GC (most people didn't have problems but lately some people are getting shut down for this).
Of course, there is no general rule with these things, it mostly varies by your particular credit file and worthiness.

Perk Abuse
-Transferring Ultimate Rewards points to someone else's account other than your spouse or domestic partner;
 both, the sender and the recipient, are at risk of A/A.
-Abuse of the 5% cashback bonus on the AARP card.

What Happens?

Q: What does a Chase A/A look like? How do I know whether I was shut down or not?
A: If you can't access your online account on chase.com, this is not A/A.
    When you encounter such a thing it could be because 1) the website is undergoing maintenance - wait till the site is back up; 2) a sever error - try using
    different browser
; 3) you didn't log in to your account for a while - call the number on the back of your card; 4) a security concern (resulted by a large QuickPay
    transfer or similar - call the number on the back of your card.
    When you get hit by A/A, you'll see a message above your account "Your account is closed and no longer available for use. If you have a balance remaining on the account, please continue to
    make monthly payments by the due date."; your card will no longer work; and within 7 days you'll receive a letter in the mail notifying you of the closure and the reason to it.
Q: Do they close down all my cards or just one?
A: If your shutdown was a result of 'credit related risk', they usually close all your credit card accounts, while with 'perk abusers' they used to shut down all of your cards (April '12), but lately, it is limited to the accounts involved in the abuse.
Q: Do they shut down other accounts such as checking, savings or investment accounts?
A: Lately people are reporting getting their checking account closed when getting A/A'd.
Q: Once my card is closed, can I still access my points?
A: Again there's a difference whats the reason your account was closed. Ironically, if its because of 'credit risk', your points will be forfeited, (and that used to be the case with 'perk abusers' during the April '12 A/A wave), but if its because of 'perk abuse', you'll get a certain amount of time (from 2 to 90 days - as specified on your letter) to transfer or redeem your points.

How To Get Back

Q: Once one was shut down, is there any point of calling  customer service or any other department and try to convince them to reopen the closed accounts?
A: If your account was closed due to 'perk abuse' there is -almost- no way to convince them to reopen it (unless there was an error, and you really didn't commit any violations of the
     terms and conditions).
     But if your account was closed for credit related reasons, you might have luck by calling the executive dept. 1888-622-7547 and trying to explain them why it might've looked like your at risk of default, but in fact, there is nothing to worry about. But of course YMMV with this.
Q: Can I apply for a new credit card after my accounts were closed?
A: Yes. There are a multiple reports of people being approved for a new Chase card after waiting a few months and applying again. But some were not that lucky, and some had their new accounts closed a few days after approval.
« Last edited by Iz on March 22, 2017, 11:26:51 PM »

Poll

Have You Been A/A'ed?

Yes, I've Been Shut Down And Received 1 Cent Per Point :(
10 (1.6%)
Yes, I've Been Shut Down And Received Nothing For My Points >:(
62 (10%)
No (Bli Ayin Horah)
455 (73.4%)
I Was Shut Down But Was Able To Get Reopened After Appeal
24 (3.9%)
Yes, I've Been Shut Down But Was Able To Transfer Points To Miles
69 (11.1%)

Total Members Voted: 618

Author Topic: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)  (Read 1698426 times)

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #260 on: February 22, 2012, 11:58:27 AM »
Stupid guy for doing a 4/BM

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I applied for four cards, from four different banks (CITI, AMEX, BoA and Chase).

That's not a 4/bm.

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #261 on: February 22, 2012, 12:00:56 PM »
It sounded like he was saying 4 cards from each bank
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #262 on: February 22, 2012, 12:08:56 PM »
It sounded like he was saying 4 cards from each bank
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Doing 4 in total would result in 4 pulls

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #263 on: February 22, 2012, 12:09:29 PM »
4, 4bms?  Now that is what I call ballsy (or stupid).
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #264 on: February 22, 2012, 12:10:33 PM »
It seems Chase is still at it.

As an aside, the name of this thread should probably be changed to help its searchability. Something along the lines of "Chase Adverse Action" or "Chase Account Closures" etc

This is scary, and making me consider reconsidering my upcoming AOR, considering that Chase is currently the only issuer whose cards I use now that Amex is out for now. Perhaps I should focus on business apps, which aren't reported, if I can find enough offers worth applying for.

Recently my (legit) CC spend has increased, and with Amex out I can't see myself spending 5-10k/month with my other issuers besides Chase (BofA, Barclays, Cap1, Citi, Discover etc.)
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #265 on: February 22, 2012, 12:10:53 PM »
He applied for four cards total. From four different banks. Why is that so earth-shatteringly stupid?
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #266 on: February 22, 2012, 12:13:28 PM »
He applied for four cards total. From four different banks. Why is that so earth-shatteringly stupid?
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #267 on: February 22, 2012, 12:14:54 PM »
He applied for four cards total. From four different banks. Why is that so earth-shatteringly stupid?
I read it as 4x4bms, did I misread?
At any rate, 4 hard pulls in one day probably raises a red flag.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #268 on: February 22, 2012, 12:16:00 PM »
At any rate, 4 hard pulls in one day probably raises a red flag.

So you think 2 AORs (possibly mega-AORs) a year, with no apps in between (so 6 months of no pulls) is a bad strategy?

With your logic it wouldn't fly even for business cards...
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #269 on: February 22, 2012, 12:22:55 PM »
At any rate, 4 hard pulls in one day probably raises a red flag.

AOR anyone?

It's been touted on here more times than I care to count that, although its not a 2/3BM, there is still value to doing an AOR as it reduces the possibility that each issuer does not see the others' pulls...

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #270 on: February 22, 2012, 12:42:22 PM »
What does AOR stand for?

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #271 on: February 22, 2012, 12:44:24 PM »
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #272 on: February 22, 2012, 01:22:35 PM »
From the letter:
"All the accounts were closed and will remain this way until I called them back and have them check if they can re-open them based on my credit report changes. It seems that they may be placed on some type hold as she said I could re-open them without re-applying once I've addressed the aforementioned issues."

To me this seems reasonable, unlike some of chase's other horror stories/brutal tactics that have been reported.
Maybe this guy was a fool for applying for this many cards, but having 500k in CL's for a 70k income in and of itself seems like a massive risk (red flag) to a bank

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #273 on: February 22, 2012, 01:26:13 PM »
From the letter:
"All the accounts were closed and will remain this way until I called them back and have them check if they can re-open them based on my credit report changes. It seems that they may be placed on some type hold as she said I could re-open them without re-applying once I've addressed the aforementioned issues."

To me this seems reasonable, unlike some of chase's other horror stories/brutal tactics that have been reported.
Maybe this guy was a fool for applying for this many cards, but having 500k in CL's for a 70k income in and of itself seems like a massive risk (red flag) to a bank

First of all, his CLs were $50,000 not $500,000.

Second of all, as has been pointed out already, why is 4 cards total from 4 different banks that foolish?
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #274 on: February 22, 2012, 02:11:39 PM »
First of all, his CLs were $50,000 not $500,000.

Second of all, as has been pointed out already, why is 4 cards total from 4 different banks that foolish?

whoops read the number wrong. Pardon me
Second of all I personally don't think it's foolish at all. I said maybe

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #275 on: February 22, 2012, 02:19:25 PM »
whoops read the number wrong. Pardon me
Second of all I personally don't think it's foolish at all. I said maybe

Maybe the joke's on us... Apparently Chase (the only person in this equation that matters) thinks its "foolish."
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #276 on: February 22, 2012, 02:32:59 PM »
Maybe the joke's on us...

No joke...  :-\  >:(  :(  :'(  ::)  ??? (emotionally overwhelmed)
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #277 on: February 22, 2012, 03:03:11 PM »
No joke...  :-\  >:(  :(  :'(  ::)  ??? (emotionally overwhelmed)
I totally agree--
I'm looking for a place to "park" my 250,000 UR points for safe keeping.
I'm not trying anything risky with chase......but it seems like no one knows the triggers......

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #278 on: February 22, 2012, 03:17:48 PM »
This is scary, and making me consider reconsidering my upcoming AOR, considering that Chase is currently the only issuer whose cards I use now that Amex is out for now. Perhaps I should focus on business apps, which aren't reported, if I can find enough offers worth applying for.

Recently my (legit) CC spend has increased, and with Amex out I can't see myself spending 5-10k/month with my other issuers besides Chase (BofA, Barclays, Cap1, Citi, Discover etc.)

As a side question, why no interest in the 2 Hawaiian Air cards? Receive a total of 70k miles which turns into 140k Hilton miles, and they're through minor issuers?

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #279 on: February 22, 2012, 03:19:05 PM »
Welcome to the real world folks! Might have to sharpen that pencil when doing future equations.  ;)
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