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Q: Hi, I searched all over the internet for an active link of the Chase American Airlines credit card and couldn't find one. How did you guys manage to get this card?
A: Ha ha... There's (currently) no co-branded Chase AA credit card, this thread is discussing 'Chase Adverse Action'. As a general rule, AA refers to 'American Airlines', while A/A refers to 'Adverse Action'.

Q: What does Chase A/A look like? Can I do something to prevent that from happening? And once I'm hit, is there anything I can do to get back in the game?
A: To better address all the questions and concerns, we'll divide it in three sections:

1) What Are The Triggers?
2) What Happens?
3) How To Get Back

What Are The Triggers?

Basically, there are two possibilities that might trigger a Chase A/A:
Credit Related Risk
-Opening too many new cards in a short period of time, (even from other banks, and even being added as an additional user is considered as opening a new account, even a spike in your total CL even from being  additional user has been a trigger for many people - Dec 2013);
-A sudden excessive use of your cards;
-Maxing out your available credit limit.
-Buying large amounts of Chase GC (most people didn't have problems but lately some people are getting shut down for this).
Of course, there is no general rule with these things, it mostly varies by your particular credit file and worthiness.

Perk Abuse
-Transferring Ultimate Rewards points to someone else's account other than your spouse or domestic partner;
 both, the sender and the recipient, are at risk of A/A.
-Abuse of the 5% cashback bonus on the AARP card.

What Happens?

Q: What does a Chase A/A look like? How do I know whether I was shut down or not?
A: If you can't access your online account on chase.com, this is not A/A.
    When you encounter such a thing it could be because 1) the website is undergoing maintenance - wait till the site is back up; 2) a sever error - try using
    different browser
; 3) you didn't log in to your account for a while - call the number on the back of your card; 4) a security concern (resulted by a large QuickPay
    transfer or similar - call the number on the back of your card.
    When you get hit by A/A, you'll see a message above your account "Your account is closed and no longer available for use. If you have a balance remaining on the account, please continue to
    make monthly payments by the due date."; your card will no longer work; and within 7 days you'll receive a letter in the mail notifying you of the closure and the reason to it.
Q: Do they close down all my cards or just one?
A: If your shutdown was a result of 'credit related risk', they usually close all your credit card accounts, while with 'perk abusers' they used to shut down all of your cards (April '12), but lately, it is limited to the accounts involved in the abuse.
Q: Do they shut down other accounts such as checking, savings or investment accounts?
A: Lately people are reporting getting their checking account closed when getting A/A'd.
Q: Once my card is closed, can I still access my points?
A: Again there's a difference whats the reason your account was closed. Ironically, if its because of 'credit risk', your points will be forfeited, (and that used to be the case with 'perk abusers' during the April '12 A/A wave), but if its because of 'perk abuse', you'll get a certain amount of time (from 2 to 90 days - as specified on your letter) to transfer or redeem your points.

How To Get Back

Q: Once one was shut down, is there any point of calling  customer service or any other department and try to convince them to reopen the closed accounts?
A: If your account was closed due to 'perk abuse' there is -almost- no way to convince them to reopen it (unless there was an error, and you really didn't commit any violations of the
     terms and conditions).
     But if your account was closed for credit related reasons, you might have luck by calling the executive dept. 1888-622-7547 and trying to explain them why it might've looked like your at risk of default, but in fact, there is nothing to worry about. But of course YMMV with this.
Q: Can I apply for a new credit card after my accounts were closed?
A: Yes. There are a multiple reports of people being approved for a new Chase card after waiting a few months and applying again. But some were not that lucky, and some had their new accounts closed a few days after approval.
« Last edited by Iz on March 22, 2017, 11:26:51 PM »

Poll

Have You Been A/A'ed?

Yes, I've Been Shut Down And Received 1 Cent Per Point :(
10 (1.6%)
Yes, I've Been Shut Down And Received Nothing For My Points >:(
62 (10%)
No (Bli Ayin Horah)
455 (73.4%)
I Was Shut Down But Was Able To Get Reopened After Appeal
24 (3.9%)
Yes, I've Been Shut Down But Was Able To Transfer Points To Miles
69 (11.1%)

Total Members Voted: 618

Author Topic: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)  (Read 1700650 times)

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #280 on: February 22, 2012, 03:20:20 PM »
As a side question, why no interest in the 2 Hawaiian Air cards? Receive a total of 70k miles which turns into 140k Hilton miles, and they're through minor issuers?

I have both cards, as do other DDFers :)

Considering 3BM doesn't work for BofA (at least not IME), it probably wasn't worth it in retrospect.

Welcome to the real world folks! Might have to sharpen that pencil when doing future equations.  ;)

This is (at least in part) probably Chase's (delayed) reaction to the Credit CARD Act of 2009's ban of universal-default.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #281 on: February 22, 2012, 03:23:47 PM »
I read it as 4x4bms, did I misread?
At any rate, 4 hard pulls in one day probably raises a red flag.

Makes me feel lucky that I didn't get into trouble for this.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #282 on: February 22, 2012, 03:24:38 PM »
I have both cards, as do other DDFers :)

Considering 3BM doesn't work for BofA (at least not IME), it probably wasn't worth it in retrospect.

And they're not churnable?

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #283 on: February 22, 2012, 03:25:20 PM »
And they're not churnable?

They reportedly are. But considering it's 1 pull per card, I think I'll pass.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #284 on: February 22, 2012, 03:30:36 PM »
They reportedly are. But considering it's 1 pull per card, I think I'll pass.

But if you're options are drying out...
Unless you're trying to kick the habit :)

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #285 on: February 22, 2012, 03:31:57 PM »
But if you're options are drying out...
Unless you're trying to kick the habit :)

Now. I'm keeping my inquiries low so when the good offers come I'm ready to attack! :D
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #286 on: February 22, 2012, 03:43:17 PM »
Now. I'm keeping my inquiries low so when the good offers come I'm ready to attack! :D
Freeze EX and B* them off TU & EQ.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #287 on: February 22, 2012, 03:45:00 PM »
Freeze EX and B* them off TU null EQ.

B* is reportedly much harder these days, I don't have the head for it.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #288 on: February 22, 2012, 03:53:19 PM »
B* is reportedly much harder these days, I don't have the head for it.

I've read it flat out doesn't work anymore. Have you heard differently?
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #289 on: February 22, 2012, 03:56:55 PM »
B* is reportedly much harder these days, I don't have the head for it.
EQ is becoming a real pain but TU is still pretty straight forward.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #290 on: February 22, 2012, 04:06:50 PM »
Freeze EX and B* them off TU & EQ.

Excuse my ignorance, but what is B*? Is it the approach of using soft pulls to push off hard pulls?

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« Reply #291 on: February 22, 2012, 04:07:24 PM »
Excuse my ignorance, but what is B*? Is it the approach of using soft pulls to push off hard pulls?

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #292 on: February 22, 2012, 04:07:32 PM »
Excuse my ignorance, but what is B*? Is it the approach of using soft pulls to push off hard pulls?
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« Reply #293 on: February 22, 2012, 04:09:40 PM »
Sponfeed? How does that B* thingy work?
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Sponfeed? How does that B* thingy work?
Ton of info at creditboardsDOTcom.
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« Reply #295 on: February 22, 2012, 04:35:42 PM »
Thanx, but why dont you say the word in full? Do you fear anythimg might happen?
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« Reply #296 on: February 22, 2012, 04:44:13 PM »
Thanx, but why dont you say the word in full? Do you fear anythimg might happen?
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« Reply #297 on: February 22, 2012, 04:45:38 PM »
Not sure if links to CB are allowed here.

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He's talking about B* (bumping).
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #298 on: February 22, 2012, 04:51:31 PM »
Right! Is B* a nasty word?
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #299 on: February 22, 2012, 04:55:11 PM »
Is B* a nasty word?
CB pioneered B*. That is what they use. I am not going to go into the reasons they do it.
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