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Q: Hi, I searched all over the internet for an active link of the Chase American Airlines credit card and couldn't find one. How did you guys manage to get this card?
A: Ha ha... There's (currently) no co-branded Chase AA credit card, this thread is discussing 'Chase Adverse Action'. As a general rule, AA refers to 'American Airlines', while A/A refers to 'Adverse Action'.

Q: What does Chase A/A look like? Can I do something to prevent that from happening? And once I'm hit, is there anything I can do to get back in the game?
A: To better address all the questions and concerns, we'll divide it in three sections:

1) What Are The Triggers?
2) What Happens?
3) How To Get Back

What Are The Triggers?

Basically, there are two possibilities that might trigger a Chase A/A:
Credit Related Risk
-Opening too many new cards in a short period of time, (even from other banks, and even being added as an additional user is considered as opening a new account, even a spike in your total CL even from being  additional user has been a trigger for many people - Dec 2013);
-A sudden excessive use of your cards;
-Maxing out your available credit limit.
-Buying large amounts of Chase GC (most people didn't have problems but lately some people are getting shut down for this).
Of course, there is no general rule with these things, it mostly varies by your particular credit file and worthiness.

Perk Abuse
-Transferring Ultimate Rewards points to someone else's account other than your spouse or domestic partner;
 both, the sender and the recipient, are at risk of A/A.
-Abuse of the 5% cashback bonus on the AARP card.

What Happens?

Q: What does a Chase A/A look like? How do I know whether I was shut down or not?
A: If you can't access your online account on chase.com, this is not A/A.
    When you encounter such a thing it could be because 1) the website is undergoing maintenance - wait till the site is back up; 2) a sever error - try using
    different browser
; 3) you didn't log in to your account for a while - call the number on the back of your card; 4) a security concern (resulted by a large QuickPay
    transfer or similar - call the number on the back of your card.
    When you get hit by A/A, you'll see a message above your account "Your account is closed and no longer available for use. If you have a balance remaining on the account, please continue to
    make monthly payments by the due date."; your card will no longer work; and within 7 days you'll receive a letter in the mail notifying you of the closure and the reason to it.
Q: Do they close down all my cards or just one?
A: If your shutdown was a result of 'credit related risk', they usually close all your credit card accounts, while with 'perk abusers' they used to shut down all of your cards (April '12), but lately, it is limited to the accounts involved in the abuse.
Q: Do they shut down other accounts such as checking, savings or investment accounts?
A: Lately people are reporting getting their checking account closed when getting A/A'd.
Q: Once my card is closed, can I still access my points?
A: Again there's a difference whats the reason your account was closed. Ironically, if its because of 'credit risk', your points will be forfeited, (and that used to be the case with 'perk abusers' during the April '12 A/A wave), but if its because of 'perk abuse', you'll get a certain amount of time (from 2 to 90 days - as specified on your letter) to transfer or redeem your points.

How To Get Back

Q: Once one was shut down, is there any point of calling  customer service or any other department and try to convince them to reopen the closed accounts?
A: If your account was closed due to 'perk abuse' there is -almost- no way to convince them to reopen it (unless there was an error, and you really didn't commit any violations of the
     terms and conditions).
     But if your account was closed for credit related reasons, you might have luck by calling the executive dept. 1888-622-7547 and trying to explain them why it might've looked like your at risk of default, but in fact, there is nothing to worry about. But of course YMMV with this.
Q: Can I apply for a new credit card after my accounts were closed?
A: Yes. There are a multiple reports of people being approved for a new Chase card after waiting a few months and applying again. But some were not that lucky, and some had their new accounts closed a few days after approval.
« Last edited by Iz on March 22, 2017, 11:26:51 PM »

Poll

Have You Been A/A'ed?

Yes, I've Been Shut Down And Received 1 Cent Per Point :(
10 (1.6%)
Yes, I've Been Shut Down And Received Nothing For My Points >:(
62 (10%)
No (Bli Ayin Horah)
455 (73.4%)
I Was Shut Down But Was Able To Get Reopened After Appeal
24 (3.9%)
Yes, I've Been Shut Down But Was Able To Transfer Points To Miles
69 (11.1%)

Total Members Voted: 618

Author Topic: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)  (Read 1700169 times)

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #6720 on: April 09, 2018, 09:21:43 PM »
@hvaces42 reported such a thing upthread, and I'm shocked, there is no explanation to such a thing.
Did you ask to have it reviewed again?
Did they give ANY reason?

I haven't yet asked for a review.

You are correct in that there is no explanation for such a thing. The explanations they gave are the weak reasons that a credit bureau always gives for declines that really shouldn't be declines. (See my first post on the prior page). I will have to read to see what happened to hvaces42. 

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #6721 on: April 09, 2018, 09:27:03 PM »
Will they be able to review the closure with a freeze on my credit bureaus?

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #6722 on: April 09, 2018, 09:28:38 PM »
Will they be able to review the closure with a freeze on my credit bureaus?
Yes. They usually don't pull your credit. And they'll let you know if they will
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #6723 on: April 09, 2018, 09:34:23 PM »
Yes. They usually don't pull your credit. And they'll let you know if they will

So what are they actually reviewing?

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #6724 on: April 09, 2018, 09:35:32 PM »
So what are the actually reviewing?
The validity if the A/A. They may do a soft pull, and they have info on your credit already
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #6725 on: April 09, 2018, 09:48:58 PM »

Did I mention anything about being lucky!

All accounts are back up! Open and running!!
Wish everyone such easy and smooth transaction.
congrats!
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #6726 on: April 09, 2018, 10:08:00 PM »
@hvaces42 reported such a thing upthread, and I'm shocked, there is no explanation to such a thing.
Did you ask to have it reviewed again?
Did they give ANY reason?
Seems to be risk related to mobile pay usage. Im shut down and family member too. But grandfathered Ink of other family member at same address somehow survived. So slowly racking up 5x
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #6727 on: April 09, 2018, 10:16:28 PM »
Seems to be risk related to mobile pay usage. Im shut down and family member too. But grandfathered Ink of other family member at same address somehow survived. So slowly racking up 5x
Maybe try calling again to have them review it. Seems like odds improved lately.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #6728 on: April 09, 2018, 11:13:52 PM »
I filed a complaint with CFPB after doing the fraud verification on the declined Apple Pay transactions and still not being able to use my card. I had no idea what a "Review" was. I have the name and number of the person at Chase handling that. Should I talk to them or just call the number in the Wiki?

Interestingly, the person that got the CFPB claim and was working it had no clue what it was either. They contacted me on Mon after I had talked to the Review department.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #6729 on: April 09, 2018, 11:25:26 PM »
I filed a complaint with CFPB after doing the fraud verification on the declined Apple Pay transactions and still not being able to use my card. I had no idea what a "Review" was. I have the name and number of the person at Chase handling that. Should I talk to them or just call the number in the Wiki?

Interestingly, the person that got the CFPB claim and was working it had no clue what it was either. They contacted me on Mon after I had talked to the Review department.
Simple as is..
Call number in wiki or number I provided up thread. And that should be your first step...

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #6731 on: April 11, 2018, 03:59:17 PM »
Simple as is..
Call number in wiki or number I provided up thread. And that should be your first step...

I called the number yesterday morning. They saw the case and sent me to the person that was working on the case but she didn't answer the phone. I left a message telling her that my accounts were now closed because of my credit bureau, according to the letter, but they had my FICO as 823/850 so I wasn't sure what was going on.  I have gotten no return call. I haven't talked to the person, at all. Her manager(?) is the one that I spoke with on the Monday after the incident.

How long is it supposed to take to have the closure reconsidered? I can see in the thread that people were making a distinction between people closed for credit reasons and people closed for abusing the points opportunities.  Since the letter I got had credit bureau reasons for the closing, does that mean mine was closed for credit? If not, how can I tell which one I am?

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #6732 on: April 11, 2018, 04:01:01 PM »
Any recent dp's of approvals after an A/A?

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #6733 on: April 11, 2018, 04:02:18 PM »
Any recent dp's of approvals after an A/A?
Yes. Read up thread.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #6734 on: April 11, 2018, 04:20:40 PM »


I called the number yesterday morning. They saw the case and sent me to the person that was working on the case but she didn't answer the phone. I left a message telling her that my accounts were now closed because of my credit bureau, according to the letter, but they had my FICO as 823/850 so I wasn't sure what was going on.  I have gotten no return call. I haven't talked to the person, at all. Her manager(?) is the one that I spoke with on the Monday after the incident.

How long is it supposed to take to have the closure reconsidered? I can see in the thread that people were making a distinction between people closed for credit reasons and people closed for abusing the points opportunities.  Since the letter I got had credit bureau reasons for the closing, does that mean mine was closed for credit? If not, how can I tell which one I am?

What does is say in the letter?

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #6735 on: April 11, 2018, 04:38:24 PM »
Any recent dp's of approvals after an A/A?
Approval after three shutdowns.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #6736 on: April 11, 2018, 04:42:03 PM »

What does is say in the letter?

That my account was closed because of information from Equifax and it gave the reasons as:

Number of credit card accounts (I have 10 open and none opened in over 1.5 years. The last being a Chase Sapphire that was still open prior to the review.)
Rapid increase in revolving balance. (According to Equifax I have a balance of $2k on $90k in lines. I, of course, pay off everything, every month.)

You can get your Fico score from Chase. They show mine as 823 out of a possible 850.

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #6737 on: April 11, 2018, 04:48:03 PM »


Since the letter I got had credit bureau reasons for the closing, does that mean mine was closed for credit? If not, how can I tell which one I am?
Here's your reason of closure

That my account was closed because of information from Equifax and it gave the reasons as:

Number of credit card accounts

Rapid increase in revolving balance.

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #6738 on: April 11, 2018, 04:50:18 PM »


How long is it supposed to take to have the closure reconsidered?

They say it can take up to 10 days,
I got a call back in less than a week.

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #6739 on: April 11, 2018, 07:02:42 PM »
Here's your reason of closure

So people who are closed for abusing the points stuff, that's what the letter says?