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Q: Hi, I searched all over the internet for an active link of the Chase American Airlines credit card and couldn't find one. How did you guys manage to get this card?
A: Ha ha... There's (currently) no co-branded Chase AA credit card, this thread is discussing 'Chase Adverse Action'. As a general rule, AA refers to 'American Airlines', while A/A refers to 'Adverse Action'.

Q: What does Chase A/A look like? Can I do something to prevent that from happening? And once I'm hit, is there anything I can do to get back in the game?
A: To better address all the questions and concerns, we'll divide it in three sections:

1) What Are The Triggers?
2) What Happens?
3) How To Get Back

What Are The Triggers?

Basically, there are two possibilities that might trigger a Chase A/A:
Credit Related Risk
-Opening too many new cards in a short period of time, (even from other banks, and even being added as an additional user is considered as opening a new account, even a spike in your total CL even from being  additional user has been a trigger for many people - Dec 2013);
-A sudden excessive use of your cards;
-Maxing out your available credit limit.
-Buying large amounts of Chase GC (most people didn't have problems but lately some people are getting shut down for this).
Of course, there is no general rule with these things, it mostly varies by your particular credit file and worthiness.

Perk Abuse
-Transferring Ultimate Rewards points to someone else's account other than your spouse or domestic partner;
 both, the sender and the recipient, are at risk of A/A.
-Abuse of the 5% cashback bonus on the AARP card.

What Happens?

Q: What does a Chase A/A look like? How do I know whether I was shut down or not?
A: If you can't access your online account on chase.com, this is not A/A.
    When you encounter such a thing it could be because 1) the website is undergoing maintenance - wait till the site is back up; 2) a sever error - try using
    different browser
; 3) you didn't log in to your account for a while - call the number on the back of your card; 4) a security concern (resulted by a large QuickPay
    transfer or similar - call the number on the back of your card.
    When you get hit by A/A, you'll see a message above your account "Your account is closed and no longer available for use. If you have a balance remaining on the account, please continue to
    make monthly payments by the due date."; your card will no longer work; and within 7 days you'll receive a letter in the mail notifying you of the closure and the reason to it.
Q: Do they close down all my cards or just one?
A: If your shutdown was a result of 'credit related risk', they usually close all your credit card accounts, while with 'perk abusers' they used to shut down all of your cards (April '12), but lately, it is limited to the accounts involved in the abuse.
Q: Do they shut down other accounts such as checking, savings or investment accounts?
A: Lately people are reporting getting their checking account closed when getting A/A'd.
Q: Once my card is closed, can I still access my points?
A: Again there's a difference whats the reason your account was closed. Ironically, if its because of 'credit risk', your points will be forfeited, (and that used to be the case with 'perk abusers' during the April '12 A/A wave), but if its because of 'perk abuse', you'll get a certain amount of time (from 2 to 90 days - as specified on your letter) to transfer or redeem your points.

How To Get Back

Q: Once one was shut down, is there any point of calling  customer service or any other department and try to convince them to reopen the closed accounts?
A: If your account was closed due to 'perk abuse' there is -almost- no way to convince them to reopen it (unless there was an error, and you really didn't commit any violations of the
     terms and conditions).
     But if your account was closed for credit related reasons, you might have luck by calling the executive dept. 1888-622-7547 and trying to explain them why it might've looked like your at risk of default, but in fact, there is nothing to worry about. But of course YMMV with this.
Q: Can I apply for a new credit card after my accounts were closed?
A: Yes. There are a multiple reports of people being approved for a new Chase card after waiting a few months and applying again. But some were not that lucky, and some had their new accounts closed a few days after approval.
« Last edited by Iz on March 22, 2017, 11:26:51 PM »

Poll

Have You Been A/A'ed?

Yes, I've Been Shut Down And Received 1 Cent Per Point :(
10 (1.6%)
Yes, I've Been Shut Down And Received Nothing For My Points >:(
62 (10%)
No (Bli Ayin Horah)
455 (73.4%)
I Was Shut Down But Was Able To Get Reopened After Appeal
24 (3.9%)
Yes, I've Been Shut Down But Was Able To Transfer Points To Miles
69 (11.1%)

Total Members Voted: 618

Author Topic: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)  (Read 1700614 times)

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #760 on: April 18, 2012, 03:41:28 PM »
"I’ll go out on a limb and say that Chase would never ban someone for too much Ultimate Rewards Mall activity."
Ya, sure ::)
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #761 on: April 18, 2012, 03:42:33 PM »
Can we get a small tally from people that have not been a/a'd even though they participated in some moderate churning? Would make a few of us feel better :)

I did:
2 CO
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1 SP
1 Ink Bold

Hyatt and CO sometime last fall
2/bm for CO+SP in Jan
Ink bold this morning
10 active cards with numerous 3bms in the past year and still alive here, ba"h.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #762 on: April 18, 2012, 03:55:52 PM »
10 active cards with numerous 3bms in the past year and still alive here, ba"h.

Are they your oldest and primary banking institution?

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #763 on: April 18, 2012, 03:56:46 PM »
Are they your oldest and primary banking institution?
Oldest, yes (due to AU)
But I have lots of credit from other banks as well.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #764 on: April 18, 2012, 04:00:14 PM »
Oldest, yes (due to AU)
But I have lots of credit from other banks as well.

Sorry... I meant in terms of liquid accounts (checking, savings, etc.) not credit accounts.

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #765 on: April 18, 2012, 04:02:11 PM »
Sorry... I meant in terms of liquid accounts (checking, savings, etc.) not credit accounts.
I do keep some money in Chase, but it's not my primary.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #766 on: April 18, 2012, 04:04:34 PM »
Oldest, yes (due to AU)
But I have lots of credit from other banks as well.
Any idea what you Chase CL is as a % of your overall CL?

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #767 on: April 18, 2012, 04:14:55 PM »
Any idea what you Chase CL is as a % of your overall CL?
Not offhand, but if I had to guess maybe a third.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #768 on: April 18, 2012, 04:16:59 PM »
It's a great blog, but his strength is accumulating miles. I don't think he has any unique knowledge about AA's
What the author basically did is summarize what is in a couple of threads, nothing new.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #769 on: April 18, 2012, 04:23:49 PM »
What the author basically did is summarize what is in a couple of threads, nothing new.
Exactly
He writes good stuff about gc churning, but I havent posted a link, since I'm not sure if its against forum rules.
Either way, enough OT.

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #770 on: April 19, 2012, 12:47:41 PM »
@joeb1, how do you know that the 3 guys you know who got A/A, were from transferring points in and out of their acct. also how much did they transfer and how many times? would appreciate if you could answer, thanx
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #771 on: April 19, 2012, 02:22:55 PM »
Did anyone actually receive a letter in the mail that stated that the reason their account was closed was due to "rewards/points abuse"?

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #772 on: April 19, 2012, 02:52:27 PM »
No, But my bet is that whoever got there accts closed had more CL than income....

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #773 on: April 19, 2012, 02:57:05 PM »
No, But my bet is that whoever got there accts closed had more CL than income....

If it was just due to 3bms and total credit lines exceeding income I'd have been shut down many years ago already...

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #774 on: April 19, 2012, 02:57:28 PM »
No, But my bet is that whoever got there accts closed had more CL than income....
FALSE! read the thread.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #775 on: April 19, 2012, 03:06:53 PM »
No, But my bet is that whoever got there accts closed had more CL than income....
Don't bet before you educate yourself. 1st assignment: read the forum that your posting your bet in, from beginning to end.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #776 on: April 19, 2012, 03:17:00 PM »
Interesting how a well educated Lamdan like you gets his acct shut down :'(

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #777 on: April 19, 2012, 03:18:56 PM »
Also not a Rayah from Dan that his acct wasn't shut down b.c he works for them ;)

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #778 on: April 19, 2012, 03:21:01 PM »
Interesting how a well educated Lamdan like you gets his acct shut down :'(
1. for the record my account was never shut down, 2. you gotta grow up.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #779 on: April 19, 2012, 03:22:43 PM »
Also not a Rayah from Dan that his acct wasn't shut down b.c he works for them ;)
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Do you think when I apply for a card they ask how I'm doing for them today?
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