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Q: Hi, I searched all over the internet for an active link of the Chase American Airlines credit card and couldn't find one. How did you guys manage to get this card?
A: Ha ha... There's (currently) no co-branded Chase AA credit card, this thread is discussing 'Chase Adverse Action'. As a general rule, AA refers to 'American Airlines', while A/A refers to 'Adverse Action'.

Q: What does Chase A/A look like? Can I do something to prevent that from happening? And once I'm hit, is there anything I can do to get back in the game?
A: To better address all the questions and concerns, we'll divide it in three sections:

1) What Are The Triggers?
2) What Happens?
3) How To Get Back

What Are The Triggers?

Basically, there are two possibilities that might trigger a Chase A/A:
Credit Related Risk
-Opening too many new cards in a short period of time, (even from other banks, and even being added as an additional user is considered as opening a new account, even a spike in your total CL even from being  additional user has been a trigger for many people - Dec 2013);
-A sudden excessive use of your cards;
-Maxing out your available credit limit.
-Buying large amounts of Chase GC (most people didn't have problems but lately some people are getting shut down for this).
Of course, there is no general rule with these things, it mostly varies by your particular credit file and worthiness.

Perk Abuse
-Transferring Ultimate Rewards points to someone else's account other than your spouse or domestic partner;
 both, the sender and the recipient, are at risk of A/A.
-Abuse of the 5% cashback bonus on the AARP card.

What Happens?

Q: What does a Chase A/A look like? How do I know whether I was shut down or not?
A: If you can't access your online account on chase.com, this is not A/A.
    When you encounter such a thing it could be because 1) the website is undergoing maintenance - wait till the site is back up; 2) a sever error - try using
    different browser
; 3) you didn't log in to your account for a while - call the number on the back of your card; 4) a security concern (resulted by a large QuickPay
    transfer or similar - call the number on the back of your card.
    When you get hit by A/A, you'll see a message above your account "Your account is closed and no longer available for use. If you have a balance remaining on the account, please continue to
    make monthly payments by the due date."; your card will no longer work; and within 7 days you'll receive a letter in the mail notifying you of the closure and the reason to it.
Q: Do they close down all my cards or just one?
A: If your shutdown was a result of 'credit related risk', they usually close all your credit card accounts, while with 'perk abusers' they used to shut down all of your cards (April '12), but lately, it is limited to the accounts involved in the abuse.
Q: Do they shut down other accounts such as checking, savings or investment accounts?
A: Lately people are reporting getting their checking account closed when getting A/A'd.
Q: Once my card is closed, can I still access my points?
A: Again there's a difference whats the reason your account was closed. Ironically, if its because of 'credit risk', your points will be forfeited, (and that used to be the case with 'perk abusers' during the April '12 A/A wave), but if its because of 'perk abuse', you'll get a certain amount of time (from 2 to 90 days - as specified on your letter) to transfer or redeem your points.

How To Get Back

Q: Once one was shut down, is there any point of calling  customer service or any other department and try to convince them to reopen the closed accounts?
A: If your account was closed due to 'perk abuse' there is -almost- no way to convince them to reopen it (unless there was an error, and you really didn't commit any violations of the
     terms and conditions).
     But if your account was closed for credit related reasons, you might have luck by calling the executive dept. 1888-622-7547 and trying to explain them why it might've looked like your at risk of default, but in fact, there is nothing to worry about. But of course YMMV with this.
Q: Can I apply for a new credit card after my accounts were closed?
A: Yes. There are a multiple reports of people being approved for a new Chase card after waiting a few months and applying again. But some were not that lucky, and some had their new accounts closed a few days after approval.
« Last edited by Iz on March 22, 2017, 11:26:51 PM »

Poll

Have You Been A/A'ed?

Yes, I've Been Shut Down And Received 1 Cent Per Point :(
10 (1.6%)
Yes, I've Been Shut Down And Received Nothing For My Points >:(
62 (10%)
No (Bli Ayin Horah)
455 (73.4%)
I Was Shut Down But Was Able To Get Reopened After Appeal
24 (3.9%)
Yes, I've Been Shut Down But Was Able To Transfer Points To Miles
69 (11.1%)

Total Members Voted: 618

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1280 on: May 07, 2012, 11:01:15 AM »
What have they done wrong? They've become a credit risk.

As far as Chase approving them, that's only one subset of cases, and it's a set of cases which seems to have the most compelling argument, IMHO.

However, Chase also shuts down people who have applied and/or been approved for cards from other banks. That's an uphill battle.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1281 on: May 07, 2012, 11:03:22 AM »
What have they done wrong? They've become a credit risk.

As far as Chase approving them, that's only one subset of cases, and a set of cases which seems to have the most compelling argument.

However, Chase also shuts down people who have applied and/or been approved for cards from other banks. That's an uphill battle.
its not against the T&C to become a credit risk. Chase has the right to shut you down thats not what im arguing about what I am saying is what gives them the right to confiscate your points which you earned in accordance with their T&C's. I understand them confiscating points of those that got shut down for "unintended use" or whatever they called it. but for those shut down for credit risk why does chase have the right to confiscate the points

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1282 on: May 07, 2012, 11:14:10 AM »
its not against the T&C to become a credit risk.

Really? You sure?

what I am saying is what gives them the right to confiscate your points which you earned in accordance with their T&C's.

The T&Cs... I feel like we're talking in circles.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1283 on: May 07, 2012, 11:15:09 AM »
Really? You sure?

The T&Cs... I feel like we're talking in circles.
all right i give up hopefully someone will take them to small claims and we will see what happens

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1284 on: May 07, 2012, 11:15:44 AM »
hopefully someone will take them to small claims and we will see what happens

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1285 on: May 07, 2012, 11:28:51 AM »
Can anyone explain why Chase gives a reason as “not used as intended” but refuses to say what you actually did? Even though the T&C’s say they can close your account for any reason we all know that does not make it legal.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1286 on: May 07, 2012, 11:32:42 AM »
This thread has become a mess with so many useless posts.

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« Reply #1287 on: May 07, 2012, 11:42:35 AM »
Can anyone explain why Chase gives a reason as “not used as intended” but refuses to say what you actually did? Even though the T&C’s say they can close your account for any reason we all know that does not make it legal.

Why should they disclose it? I can only imagine that deliberate ambiguity serves that department's purposes far better than utter transparency.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1288 on: May 07, 2012, 11:56:46 AM »
Why should they disclose it? I can only imagine that deliberate ambiguity serves that department's purposes far better than utter transparency.
…especially if it is an indefensible position.

We all know T&C’s get shot down in court all the time. We can go on forever if they have can legally confiscate rewards earned and credited to your account. Until it is challenged in court we will never know.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1289 on: May 07, 2012, 12:51:39 PM »
T&C can say a lot of stuff.
Doesn't mean it's all enforceable in a court of law.
It's one thing to do like AMEX and say we choose to discontinue our relationship, you now have 30 days to move points out.

But to confiscate points for being a credit risk doesn't seem right.

Does amex really do that? I have been trying to contact them to get my reward dollars out to no avail

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1290 on: May 07, 2012, 07:11:18 PM »
The chutzpah gets worse.  I just got my statement for my chase continental card and they pulled 25000 points from my chase account.  They are really mamzerim.

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1291 on: May 07, 2012, 07:12:17 PM »
The chutzpah gets worse.  I just got my statement for my chase continental card and they pulled 25000 points from my chase account.  They are really mamzerim.
why did they pull the points

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1292 on: May 07, 2012, 07:17:40 PM »
The chutzpah gets worse.  I just got my statement for my chase continental card and they pulled 25000 points from my chase account.  They are really mamzerim.

You mean from your Continental (United) mileage account?

why did they pull the points

+1 It is highly unusual for signup points to get clawed back, unless they were posted in error (e.g. you got the signup bonus twice).
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1293 on: May 07, 2012, 07:27:52 PM »
why did they pull the points
I know what he means.
He probably had 25K that was supposed to post at the end of the satement, and so they did not trnasfer them into the account.
In my situation it was 20K UA, where they read: "points unavailable to tansfer    20,000"
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1294 on: May 07, 2012, 07:39:12 PM »
I know what he means.
He probably had 25K that was supposed to post at the end of the satement, and so they did not trnasfer them into the account.
In my situation it was 20K UA, where they read: "points unavailable to tansfer    20,000"

So anyone who is A/A'd won't have their pending points transferred? Or points actually clawed back from partner? (those are two very different things)
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1295 on: May 07, 2012, 08:05:19 PM »
So anyone who is A/A'd won't have their pending points transferred? Or points actually clawed back from partner? (those are two very different things)
In my situation 30K was in my wifes account from sign up bonus, 20K was pending from a match request. 30K stayed there in my account. 20K didn't transfer, although it was pending.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1296 on: May 07, 2012, 08:10:38 PM »
In my situation 30K was in my wifes account from sign up bonus, 20K was pending from a match request. 30K stayed there in my account. 20K didn't transfer, although it was pending.

You're talking about CO/UA account?
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1297 on: May 07, 2012, 08:18:49 PM »
The chutzpah gets worse.  I just got my statement for my chase continental card and they pulled 25000 points from my chase account.  They are really mamzerim.
Its possible that the points didn't post because it would be the same thing as cancelling a card. For example if i would cancel my ua card before statement closes, bonus points may not be transferred.But they are still...

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1298 on: May 07, 2012, 08:26:13 PM »
It was from my UA account.  tHey actually clawed them back.  They had been posted the prior month and they said that since my account had to remain in good standing that they could claw them back.


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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1299 on: May 07, 2012, 08:30:20 PM »
It was from my UA account.  tHey actually clawed them back.  They had been posted the prior month and they said that since my account had to remain in good standing that they could claw them back.

Chutzpah indeed. Do they T&Cs state your account has to be in good standing? Can we please get a quote?

@SideIncomer, do you still think your situation was the same as Shidduch?
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