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Q: Hi, I searched all over the internet for an active link of the Chase American Airlines credit card and couldn't find one. How did you guys manage to get this card?
A: Ha ha... There's (currently) no co-branded Chase AA credit card, this thread is discussing 'Chase Adverse Action'. As a general rule, AA refers to 'American Airlines', while A/A refers to 'Adverse Action'.

Q: What does Chase A/A look like? Can I do something to prevent that from happening? And once I'm hit, is there anything I can do to get back in the game?
A: To better address all the questions and concerns, we'll divide it in three sections:

1) What Are The Triggers?
2) What Happens?
3) How To Get Back

What Are The Triggers?

Basically, there are two possibilities that might trigger a Chase A/A:
Credit Related Risk
-Opening too many new cards in a short period of time, (even from other banks, and even being added as an additional user is considered as opening a new account, even a spike in your total CL even from being  additional user has been a trigger for many people - Dec 2013);
-A sudden excessive use of your cards;
-Maxing out your available credit limit.
-Buying large amounts of Chase GC (most people didn't have problems but lately some people are getting shut down for this).
Of course, there is no general rule with these things, it mostly varies by your particular credit file and worthiness.

Perk Abuse
-Transferring Ultimate Rewards points to someone else's account other than your spouse or domestic partner;
 both, the sender and the recipient, are at risk of A/A.
-Abuse of the 5% cashback bonus on the AARP card.

What Happens?

Q: What does a Chase A/A look like? How do I know whether I was shut down or not?
A: If you can't access your online account on chase.com, this is not A/A.
    When you encounter such a thing it could be because 1) the website is undergoing maintenance - wait till the site is back up; 2) a sever error - try using
    different browser
; 3) you didn't log in to your account for a while - call the number on the back of your card; 4) a security concern (resulted by a large QuickPay
    transfer or similar - call the number on the back of your card.
    When you get hit by A/A, you'll see a message above your account "Your account is closed and no longer available for use. If you have a balance remaining on the account, please continue to
    make monthly payments by the due date."; your card will no longer work; and within 7 days you'll receive a letter in the mail notifying you of the closure and the reason to it.
Q: Do they close down all my cards or just one?
A: If your shutdown was a result of 'credit related risk', they usually close all your credit card accounts, while with 'perk abusers' they used to shut down all of your cards (April '12), but lately, it is limited to the accounts involved in the abuse.
Q: Do they shut down other accounts such as checking, savings or investment accounts?
A: Lately people are reporting getting their checking account closed when getting A/A'd.
Q: Once my card is closed, can I still access my points?
A: Again there's a difference whats the reason your account was closed. Ironically, if its because of 'credit risk', your points will be forfeited, (and that used to be the case with 'perk abusers' during the April '12 A/A wave), but if its because of 'perk abuse', you'll get a certain amount of time (from 2 to 90 days - as specified on your letter) to transfer or redeem your points.

How To Get Back

Q: Once one was shut down, is there any point of calling  customer service or any other department and try to convince them to reopen the closed accounts?
A: If your account was closed due to 'perk abuse' there is -almost- no way to convince them to reopen it (unless there was an error, and you really didn't commit any violations of the
     terms and conditions).
     But if your account was closed for credit related reasons, you might have luck by calling the executive dept. 1888-622-7547 and trying to explain them why it might've looked like your at risk of default, but in fact, there is nothing to worry about. But of course YMMV with this.
Q: Can I apply for a new credit card after my accounts were closed?
A: Yes. There are a multiple reports of people being approved for a new Chase card after waiting a few months and applying again. But some were not that lucky, and some had their new accounts closed a few days after approval.
« Last edited by Iz on March 22, 2017, 11:26:51 PM »

Poll

Have You Been A/A'ed?

Yes, I've Been Shut Down And Received 1 Cent Per Point :(
10 (1.6%)
Yes, I've Been Shut Down And Received Nothing For My Points >:(
62 (10%)
No (Bli Ayin Horah)
455 (73.4%)
I Was Shut Down But Was Able To Get Reopened After Appeal
24 (3.9%)
Yes, I've Been Shut Down But Was Able To Transfer Points To Miles
69 (11.1%)

Total Members Voted: 618

Author Topic: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)  (Read 1706655 times)

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1380 on: May 13, 2012, 09:36:49 AM »
No
Why not? A few credit cards with shut down by vendor, doesnt ruin credit?

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1381 on: May 13, 2012, 09:41:51 AM »
Why not? A few credit cards with shut down by vendor, doesnt ruin credit?
+1 not sure if ruin is the word, I would figure damage.

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1382 on: May 13, 2012, 09:44:07 AM »
its not like a delinquency

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1383 on: May 13, 2012, 10:40:29 AM »
its not like a delinquency
Why not? A few credit cards with shut down by vendor, doesnt ruin credit?

I was instantly approved by Amex about 7 months after being AAd by Chase.

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1384 on: May 13, 2012, 12:12:04 PM »
Why not? A few credit cards with shut down by vendor, doesnt ruin credit?
IME,no. Not only did it not ruin my credit it has had no effect so far. Someone with a thin credit file it would have an effect on.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1385 on: May 13, 2012, 12:30:02 PM »
Is there a way to call in and tell up your reported income?? I've seen it discussed but haven't seen the conclusion for chase....

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1386 on: May 13, 2012, 01:41:21 PM »
So let me get this straight:
Having too much credit and making UR transfers seem to be triggers for A/A
3BM's and churning are (according to what I have read in this thread) not triggers. Right?
(IE, many people who have been A/A'd have not been churning or doing 3 BM's)

Would combining ur points be a trigger or just a transfer?

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1387 on: May 13, 2012, 01:42:54 PM »
Would combining ur points be a trigger or just a transfer?
combining as in between your own accounts then no.

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1388 on: May 13, 2012, 01:45:05 PM »
combining as in between your own accounts then no.
well thats what I did and got closed down!

And could somebody please answer my question!
Would being added as an AU on somebody else’s old account help for the limited credit history problem?
 -and would it make sense to do so even though it would increase the total CL??

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1389 on: May 13, 2012, 01:47:08 PM »
well thats what I did and got closed down!

Who said that's why they closed you down?

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1390 on: May 13, 2012, 01:57:09 PM »
I have had the Continental Onepass card opened it in September 2009, then I opened the Hyatt in July 2011. They said I need to close the  Onepass card to approve Hyatt.  In November 2011 I opened a Continental Business card.  This year I did a 2BM in February on the United Explorer and Sapphire card. In order to approve the United card I needed to close my Hyatt card, they said I cannot have more than 2 cards open.

So in summary I had 4 accounts showing in the My Accounts screen. The Continental showed closed and the Hyatt showed closed both had the previous credit balances there. Last week I transferred points from my wife UR to mine (legit) and now when I login I don't see my Hyatt or Continental closed accounts anymore. It looks as if someone reviewed me and cleaned things up. What do you think?

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1391 on: May 13, 2012, 02:00:36 PM »
I have had the Continental Onepass card opened it in September 2009, then I opened the Hyatt in July 2011. They said I need to close the  Onepass card to approve Hyatt.  In November 2011 I opened a Continental Business card.  This year I did a 2BM in February on the United Explorer and Sapphire card. In order to approve the United card I needed to close my Hyatt card, they said I cannot have more than 2 cards open.

So in summary I had 4 accounts showing in the My Accounts screen. The Continental showed closed and the Hyatt showed closed both had the previous credit balances there. Last week I transferred points from my wife UR to mine (legit) and now when I login I don't see my Hyatt or Continental closed accounts anymore. It looks as if someone reviewed me and cleaned things up. What do you think?

Your accounts are still open, are they not?
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1393 on: May 13, 2012, 02:15:46 PM »
Your accounts are still open, are they not?

Two accounts that he himself closed were showing up in his online profile. H recently did a UR transfer and a week later the canceled accounts disappeared from his online profile.

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1394 on: May 13, 2012, 02:22:09 PM »
I have had the Continental Onepass card opened it in September 2009, then I opened the Hyatt in July 2011. They said I need to close the  Onepass card to approve Hyatt.  In November 2011 I opened a Continental Business card.  This year I did a 2BM in February on the United Explorer and Sapphire card. In order to approve the United card I needed to close my Hyatt card, they said I cannot have more than 2 cards open.

So in summary I had 4 accounts showing in the My Accounts screen. The Continental showed closed and the Hyatt showed closed both had the previous credit balances there. Last week I transferred points from my wife UR to mine (legit) and now when I login I don't see my Hyatt or Continental closed accounts anymore. It looks as if someone reviewed me and cleaned things up. What do you think?
so what is the problem my old closed accounts also eventually fell off my online account.

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1395 on: May 13, 2012, 04:49:20 PM »
in thw WSJ

"The instructions were to find a way to reduce the bank's exposure to positions in the credit markets that had grown too large. "

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1396 on: May 13, 2012, 05:58:45 PM »
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so what is the problem my old closed accounts also eventually fell off my online account.
+1

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1397 on: May 13, 2012, 06:01:38 PM »
I see 5 people in the pole got reopened, why are there no posts about how to get it done?

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1398 on: May 13, 2012, 06:09:02 PM »
so what is the problem my old closed accounts also eventually fell off my online account.


So in summary I had 4 accounts showing in the My Accounts screen. The Continental showed closed and the Hyatt showed closed both had the previous credit balances there. Last week I transferred points from my wife UR to mine (legit) and now when I login I don't see my Hyatt or Continental closed accounts anymore. It looks as if someone reviewed me and cleaned things up. What do you think?

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1399 on: May 13, 2012, 11:32:08 PM »
GLAD THAT CHASE IS LOSING MONEY AND I HOPE TO GOD THAT ONCE AN INVESTIGATION INITIATES (I'd assume by the NYS Attorney General) ON THIS LATEST 2 BILLION SCANDAL, THEY (the investigators) PICK UP ON THIS SHAMEFUL/SCAMFUL A/As AS WELL!

FAULTY CHASE (which thank god I DO NOT do business with), YOUR END IS NEAR... I CAN SMELL IT!