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Q: Hi, I searched all over the internet for an active link of the Chase American Airlines credit card and couldn't find one. How did you guys manage to get this card?
A: Ha ha... There's (currently) no co-branded Chase AA credit card, this thread is discussing 'Chase Adverse Action'. As a general rule, AA refers to 'American Airlines', while A/A refers to 'Adverse Action'.

Q: What does Chase A/A look like? Can I do something to prevent that from happening? And once I'm hit, is there anything I can do to get back in the game?
A: To better address all the questions and concerns, we'll divide it in three sections:

1) What Are The Triggers?
2) What Happens?
3) How To Get Back

What Are The Triggers?

Basically, there are two possibilities that might trigger a Chase A/A:
Credit Related Risk
-Opening too many new cards in a short period of time, (even from other banks, and even being added as an additional user is considered as opening a new account, even a spike in your total CL even from being  additional user has been a trigger for many people - Dec 2013);
-A sudden excessive use of your cards;
-Maxing out your available credit limit.
-Buying large amounts of Chase GC (most people didn't have problems but lately some people are getting shut down for this).
Of course, there is no general rule with these things, it mostly varies by your particular credit file and worthiness.

Perk Abuse
-Transferring Ultimate Rewards points to someone else's account other than your spouse or domestic partner;
 both, the sender and the recipient, are at risk of A/A.
-Abuse of the 5% cashback bonus on the AARP card.

What Happens?

Q: What does a Chase A/A look like? How do I know whether I was shut down or not?
A: If you can't access your online account on chase.com, this is not A/A.
    When you encounter such a thing it could be because 1) the website is undergoing maintenance - wait till the site is back up; 2) a sever error - try using
    different browser
; 3) you didn't log in to your account for a while - call the number on the back of your card; 4) a security concern (resulted by a large QuickPay
    transfer or similar - call the number on the back of your card.
    When you get hit by A/A, you'll see a message above your account "Your account is closed and no longer available for use. If you have a balance remaining on the account, please continue to
    make monthly payments by the due date."; your card will no longer work; and within 7 days you'll receive a letter in the mail notifying you of the closure and the reason to it.
Q: Do they close down all my cards or just one?
A: If your shutdown was a result of 'credit related risk', they usually close all your credit card accounts, while with 'perk abusers' they used to shut down all of your cards (April '12), but lately, it is limited to the accounts involved in the abuse.
Q: Do they shut down other accounts such as checking, savings or investment accounts?
A: Lately people are reporting getting their checking account closed when getting A/A'd.
Q: Once my card is closed, can I still access my points?
A: Again there's a difference whats the reason your account was closed. Ironically, if its because of 'credit risk', your points will be forfeited, (and that used to be the case with 'perk abusers' during the April '12 A/A wave), but if its because of 'perk abuse', you'll get a certain amount of time (from 2 to 90 days - as specified on your letter) to transfer or redeem your points.

How To Get Back

Q: Once one was shut down, is there any point of calling  customer service or any other department and try to convince them to reopen the closed accounts?
A: If your account was closed due to 'perk abuse' there is -almost- no way to convince them to reopen it (unless there was an error, and you really didn't commit any violations of the
     terms and conditions).
     But if your account was closed for credit related reasons, you might have luck by calling the executive dept. 1888-622-7547 and trying to explain them why it might've looked like your at risk of default, but in fact, there is nothing to worry about. But of course YMMV with this.
Q: Can I apply for a new credit card after my accounts were closed?
A: Yes. There are a multiple reports of people being approved for a new Chase card after waiting a few months and applying again. But some were not that lucky, and some had their new accounts closed a few days after approval.
« Last edited by Iz on March 22, 2017, 11:26:51 PM »

Poll

Have You Been A/A'ed?

Yes, I've Been Shut Down And Received 1 Cent Per Point :(
10 (1.6%)
Yes, I've Been Shut Down And Received Nothing For My Points >:(
62 (10%)
No (Bli Ayin Horah)
455 (73.4%)
I Was Shut Down But Was Able To Get Reopened After Appeal
24 (3.9%)
Yes, I've Been Shut Down But Was Able To Transfer Points To Miles
69 (11.1%)

Total Members Voted: 618

Author Topic: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)  (Read 1700343 times)

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1680 on: June 27, 2012, 09:34:54 AM »
you're good to go.

Hey Reuven, do you wait at least 60 days or 90 days before doing another round of apps?

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1681 on: June 27, 2012, 12:07:59 PM »
Good luck!

+1

you're good to go.

+1, as long as her credit looks good and she's writing decent income on the app.

Hey Reuven, do you wait at least 60 days or 90 days before doing another round of apps?

My new (conservative) strategy is an AOR every 180 days, but if you're willing to play the recon game 60/90 should work.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1682 on: June 27, 2012, 12:49:00 PM »
+1

+1, as long as her credit looks good and she's writing decent income on the app.

My new (conservative) strategy is an AOR every 180 days, but if you're willing to play the recon game 60/90 should work.

I did a Chase 2BM on 5/10/12. I wanted to do a Amex 2BM and Citi 2BM and was going to wait at least 60 days. Maybe I should wait 90
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1683 on: June 27, 2012, 12:51:13 PM »
I did a Chase 2BM on 5/10/12. I wanted to a Amex 2BM and Citi 2BM and was going to wait at least 60 days. Maybe I should wait 90

It depends on your credit, stated income, inquiries, and outstanding credit at Chase and/or at other banks. If you're good on all those points, pull the trigger :)
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1684 on: June 27, 2012, 12:59:06 PM »
Stated income 6 figures, Have 1 card at Citi with 9k limit, and one Zync card at Amex. Total of all Chase credit lines is 30k

Inquiries, I did a 2BM Amex in Dec, a Sapphire in Feb, and the Chase 2BM in May

How do I tell if I'm good or not to go?

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1685 on: June 27, 2012, 01:01:22 PM »
Stated income 6 figures, Have 1 card at Citi with 9k limit, and one Zync card at Amex. Total of all Chase credit lines is 30k

Inquiries, I did a 2BM Amex in Dec, a Sapphire in Feb, and the Chase 2BM in May

How do I tell if I'm good or not to go?

I would pull the trigger (especially if those inquiries are on different credit reports). It also depends what you plan on doing in the future.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1686 on: June 27, 2012, 01:08:36 PM »
Hey Reuven, do you wait at least 60 days or 90 days before doing another round of apps?

I wait 90 btw AORs. If a great offer pops up in the meantime, and I can fit it into my spend, I'll go for it.

I did a Chase 2BM on 5/10/12. I wanted to do a Amex 2BM and Citi 2BM and was going to wait at least 60 days. Maybe I should wait 90
I dont think you need to wait. If you had done a bunch of apps in May, I would advise that you do wait, but you probably had only 1 pull.

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1687 on: June 27, 2012, 01:53:26 PM »
ok think I am gonna swing it. Just trying to decide on a good second app, along with the british airways

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1688 on: June 27, 2012, 05:40:41 PM »
Chase has been more generous than I would ever have expected recently. The last card I expected to go through reconsideration. I had plans to close out my BA card with a fee comming up. Next day when I called it was approved with a crazy high line. Fast forward to today, I applied for the Hyatt thinking I would close out the BA this time and definately require recon. Got pending, but a few hours later it was approved with another crazy high line. The rep said I had a choice of transfering the BA 8k to the new Hyatt if wanted, but that would bring that single hyatt card close to 30k.

I really debated the cons of volutarily closing out the BA instead of just transferring the line  over to the new approved Hyatt. Given my recent 2 app-0-ramas netting 10 cards in the last 100 days, along with having an average age under 2.6 years, I would be increasing Chase's total share of my  total credit to almost 60% by transferring the BA over instead of closing, I decided to just close it. This leaves Chase at exactly 50% of my total lines which I feel more comfortable with. Chase will see 5 new lines next month when they pull a soft on me and a doubling of my total credit in the past 12 months. I think I'm pushing the limits even though they react so encouragingly.

I hope voluntarily closing the BA doesn't make me look like a Churner in the future. Chase was going to allow me to have 6 accounts if I kept the BA account open.

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1689 on: June 27, 2012, 05:42:50 PM »
Chase has been more generous than I would ever have expected recently. The last card I expected to go through reconsideration. I had plans to close out my BA card with a fee comming up. Next day when I called it was approved with a crazy high line. Fast forward to today, I applied for the Hyatt thinking I would close out the BA this time and definately require recon. Got pending, but a few hours later it was approved with another crazy high line. The rep said I had a choice of transfering the BA 8k to the new Hyatt if wanted, but that would bring that single hyatt card close to 30k.

I really debated the cons of volutarily closing out the BA instead of just transferring the line  over to the new approved Hyatt. Given my recent 2 app-0-ramas netting 10 cards in the last 100 days, along with having an average age under 2.6 years, I would be increasing Chase's total share of my  total credit to almost 60% by transferring the BA over instead of closing, I decided to just close it. This leaves Chase at exactly 50% of my total lines which I feel more comfortable with. Chase will see 5 new lines next month when they pull a soft on me and a doubling of my total credit in the past 12 months. I think I'm pushing the limits even though they react so encouragingly.

I hope voluntarily closing the BA doesn't make me look like a Churner in the future. Chase was going to allow me to have 6 accounts if I kept the BA account open.

similar story here.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1690 on: June 27, 2012, 05:43:00 PM »
Chase has been more generous than I would ever have expected recently.

I share in that sentiment in the context in which you stated it. I've experienced the same.

Not sure if the recent abatement in A/A's has affected the approval side of things, but it seems so.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1691 on: June 27, 2012, 05:50:17 PM »
So do either of you think I made the right choice in not transfering the BA?

I feel if I close out the accounts myself it may be coded different internally vs having them transfer the line (thus looking like a churner).
But at the same time I'm trying to not go overboard with Chase (by keeping them from holding too much of my credit). The difference was going to be 58% vs. the now 50%. I have voluntarily closed 1 other card with Chase in the last 6 months (CO), but next month it will show I've closed 4 or 5 cards on my credit in the last 6 months.

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1692 on: June 28, 2012, 11:51:57 AM »
Is anybody here charging Ink Bold at Office Depot for GC (at 5% CB)?
I was reading stories that it may raise a red flag.
What if I buy 2 GCs ($1000 total) + something small for few bucks extra?
The main question - can Chase see what actually I purchased?

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1693 on: June 28, 2012, 01:51:33 PM »
The main question - can Chase see what actually I purchased?

Definitely not, though they aren't stupid...
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1694 on: June 28, 2012, 01:59:38 PM »
Definitely not, though they aren't stupid...
I think we need another poll.  :)
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1695 on: June 28, 2012, 02:27:12 PM »
Definitely not, though they aren't stupid...

Then how did they find and blacklist people who were buying GCs at OfficeDepot on regular basis?

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1696 on: June 28, 2012, 02:30:10 PM »
Then how did they find and blacklist people who were buying GCs at OfficeDepot on regular basis?

Like I said:

Definitely not, though they aren't stupid...
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1697 on: June 28, 2012, 02:32:00 PM »
Then how did they find and blacklist people who were buying GCs at OfficeDepot on regular basis?
When did this happen? Any links?
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1698 on: June 28, 2012, 02:34:55 PM »
Could be those people bought gift cards in 504.95 increments, although I can't imagine anyone being dumb enough to do that

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #1699 on: June 28, 2012, 02:39:03 PM »
Could be those people bought gift cards in 504.95 increments, although I can't imagine anyone being dumb enough to do that
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