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Q: Hi, I searched all over the internet for an active link of the Chase American Airlines credit card and couldn't find one. How did you guys manage to get this card?
A: Ha ha... There's (currently) no co-branded Chase AA credit card, this thread is discussing 'Chase Adverse Action'. As a general rule, AA refers to 'American Airlines', while A/A refers to 'Adverse Action'.

Q: What does Chase A/A look like? Can I do something to prevent that from happening? And once I'm hit, is there anything I can do to get back in the game?
A: To better address all the questions and concerns, we'll divide it in three sections:

1) What Are The Triggers?
2) What Happens?
3) How To Get Back

What Are The Triggers?

Basically, there are two possibilities that might trigger a Chase A/A:
Credit Related Risk
-Opening too many new cards in a short period of time, (even from other banks, and even being added as an additional user is considered as opening a new account, even a spike in your total CL even from being  additional user has been a trigger for many people - Dec 2013);
-A sudden excessive use of your cards;
-Maxing out your available credit limit.
-Buying large amounts of Chase GC (most people didn't have problems but lately some people are getting shut down for this).
Of course, there is no general rule with these things, it mostly varies by your particular credit file and worthiness.

Perk Abuse
-Transferring Ultimate Rewards points to someone else's account other than your spouse or domestic partner;
 both, the sender and the recipient, are at risk of A/A.
-Abuse of the 5% cashback bonus on the AARP card.

What Happens?

Q: What does a Chase A/A look like? How do I know whether I was shut down or not?
A: If you can't access your online account on chase.com, this is not A/A.
    When you encounter such a thing it could be because 1) the website is undergoing maintenance - wait till the site is back up; 2) a sever error - try using
    different browser
; 3) you didn't log in to your account for a while - call the number on the back of your card; 4) a security concern (resulted by a large QuickPay
    transfer or similar - call the number on the back of your card.
    When you get hit by A/A, you'll see a message above your account "Your account is closed and no longer available for use. If you have a balance remaining on the account, please continue to
    make monthly payments by the due date."; your card will no longer work; and within 7 days you'll receive a letter in the mail notifying you of the closure and the reason to it.
Q: Do they close down all my cards or just one?
A: If your shutdown was a result of 'credit related risk', they usually close all your credit card accounts, while with 'perk abusers' they used to shut down all of your cards (April '12), but lately, it is limited to the accounts involved in the abuse.
Q: Do they shut down other accounts such as checking, savings or investment accounts?
A: Lately people are reporting getting their checking account closed when getting A/A'd.
Q: Once my card is closed, can I still access my points?
A: Again there's a difference whats the reason your account was closed. Ironically, if its because of 'credit risk', your points will be forfeited, (and that used to be the case with 'perk abusers' during the April '12 A/A wave), but if its because of 'perk abuse', you'll get a certain amount of time (from 2 to 90 days - as specified on your letter) to transfer or redeem your points.

How To Get Back

Q: Once one was shut down, is there any point of calling  customer service or any other department and try to convince them to reopen the closed accounts?
A: If your account was closed due to 'perk abuse' there is -almost- no way to convince them to reopen it (unless there was an error, and you really didn't commit any violations of the
     terms and conditions).
     But if your account was closed for credit related reasons, you might have luck by calling the executive dept. 1888-622-7547 and trying to explain them why it might've looked like your at risk of default, but in fact, there is nothing to worry about. But of course YMMV with this.
Q: Can I apply for a new credit card after my accounts were closed?
A: Yes. There are a multiple reports of people being approved for a new Chase card after waiting a few months and applying again. But some were not that lucky, and some had their new accounts closed a few days after approval.
« Last edited by Iz on March 22, 2017, 11:26:51 PM »

Poll

Have You Been A/A'ed?

Yes, I've Been Shut Down And Received 1 Cent Per Point :(
10 (1.6%)
Yes, I've Been Shut Down And Received Nothing For My Points >:(
62 (10%)
No (Bli Ayin Horah)
455 (73.4%)
I Was Shut Down But Was Able To Get Reopened After Appeal
24 (3.9%)
Yes, I've Been Shut Down But Was Able To Transfer Points To Miles
69 (11.1%)

Total Members Voted: 618

Author Topic: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)  (Read 1700179 times)

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2140 on: December 11, 2012, 03:06:17 PM »
Sorry... was just skimming recent pages of long thread and misread some posters' scenarios.
Are sellers seemingly safe then from these letters?

so it seems

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2141 on: December 11, 2012, 03:07:59 PM »
What's the worst that can happen? The card is being shut down.
And nobody has been reported to be shut down for UR>FF.

Unless, the subject of these posts, mmermss, is (one of) the first...
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2142 on: December 11, 2012, 03:08:39 PM »
Update:

A rep transferred my CL to my Freedom. I contacted them through SM. The reply said that " An update will be sent to the credit reporting agencies advising that the account was closed at your request"

Much better than having the acct shut down by the bank.

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2143 on: December 11, 2012, 03:10:36 PM »
Black mark? ???
From earlier post: http://hackmytrip.com/2012/12/what-i-did-when-chase-tried-to-cancel-my-sapphire-preferred-card/
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However, these decisions to close Sapphire Preferred accounts are being made by an unemotional department focused on security and fraud. I can apply again, but the T&C violation in Chase’s files will be permanent. He recommended waiting six months.

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2144 on: December 11, 2012, 03:13:07 PM »
From earlier post: http://hackmytrip.com/2012/12/what-i-did-when-chase-tried-to-cancel-my-sapphire-preferred-card/
Sorry for my ignorance but what does the violation in the account being permanent have anything to do with applying again soon? What does that black mark do? Harder to get cards approved?
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2145 on: December 11, 2012, 03:13:29 PM »
Harder to get cards approved?
It may be, YMMV.
Save your time, I don't answer PM. Post it in the forum and a dedicated DDF'er will get back to you as soon as possible.

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2146 on: December 11, 2012, 03:14:31 PM »
It may be, YMMV.
Is that the only effect of this "black mark"?
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2147 on: December 11, 2012, 03:15:16 PM »
Is that the only effect of this "black mark"?
No way to really know.

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2148 on: December 11, 2012, 03:20:26 PM »
It may be, YMMV.

+1, a lot harder to get back in once you get the boot.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2149 on: December 11, 2012, 03:23:33 PM »
+1, a lot harder to get back in once you get the boot.
To get back in with any card? Even though they only targeted and shut down one card?
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2150 on: December 11, 2012, 03:32:47 PM »
To get back in with any card? Even though they only targeted and shut down one card?

No way to know for sure, but that's how it used to be under the old A/A practices.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2151 on: December 11, 2012, 04:00:16 PM »
No way to know for sure, but that's how it used to be under the old A/A practices.
Many data points that has now changed.
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« Reply #2152 on: December 11, 2012, 04:01:15 PM »
Many data points that has now changed.

How could there be many data points if Chase's new MO has only been in effect for a couple weeks or so?
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2153 on: December 11, 2012, 04:01:47 PM »
Many data points that has now changed.
Im hoping this one will also change
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2154 on: December 11, 2012, 04:03:36 PM »
How could there be many data points if Chase's new MO has only been in effect for a couple weeks or so?
Are we talking about the "black mark"? If so there are many months of data points out there (AARP card related).
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« Reply #2155 on: December 11, 2012, 04:16:38 PM »
Are we talking about the "black mark"? If so there are many months of data points out there (AARP card related).

We are, but, again, when they closed the AARP, they shut down everything IIRC.

That is no longer true.

Are you saying people closed down for AARP in the past have had no issues reapplying and getting approved for more Chase cards?
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2156 on: December 11, 2012, 04:19:59 PM »


Are you saying people closed down for AARP in the past have had no issues reapplying and getting approved for more Chase cards?
Yes, thats what he's saying.
And is a live example.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2157 on: December 11, 2012, 04:22:33 PM »
Are you saying people closed down for AARP in the past have had no issues reapplying and getting approved for more Chase cards?
Correct but if meshugener is going to answer for me I guess I can stop posting.  :)
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2158 on: December 11, 2012, 04:35:08 PM »
Correct but if meshugener is going to answer for me I guess I can stop posting.  :)

I've read differently, though have seen a small number of exceptions.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2159 on: December 11, 2012, 05:31:25 PM »
What about selling your points and then closing the SP right after? Any downside?