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Q: Hi, I searched all over the internet for an active link of the Chase American Airlines credit card and couldn't find one. How did you guys manage to get this card?
A: Ha ha... There's (currently) no co-branded Chase AA credit card, this thread is discussing 'Chase Adverse Action'. As a general rule, AA refers to 'American Airlines', while A/A refers to 'Adverse Action'.

Q: What does Chase A/A look like? Can I do something to prevent that from happening? And once I'm hit, is there anything I can do to get back in the game?
A: To better address all the questions and concerns, we'll divide it in three sections:

1) What Are The Triggers?
2) What Happens?
3) How To Get Back

What Are The Triggers?

Basically, there are two possibilities that might trigger a Chase A/A:
Credit Related Risk
-Opening too many new cards in a short period of time, (even from other banks, and even being added as an additional user is considered as opening a new account, even a spike in your total CL even from being  additional user has been a trigger for many people - Dec 2013);
-A sudden excessive use of your cards;
-Maxing out your available credit limit.
-Buying large amounts of Chase GC (most people didn't have problems but lately some people are getting shut down for this).
Of course, there is no general rule with these things, it mostly varies by your particular credit file and worthiness.

Perk Abuse
-Transferring Ultimate Rewards points to someone else's account other than your spouse or domestic partner;
 both, the sender and the recipient, are at risk of A/A.
-Abuse of the 5% cashback bonus on the AARP card.

What Happens?

Q: What does a Chase A/A look like? How do I know whether I was shut down or not?
A: If you can't access your online account on chase.com, this is not A/A.
    When you encounter such a thing it could be because 1) the website is undergoing maintenance - wait till the site is back up; 2) a sever error - try using
    different browser
; 3) you didn't log in to your account for a while - call the number on the back of your card; 4) a security concern (resulted by a large QuickPay
    transfer or similar - call the number on the back of your card.
    When you get hit by A/A, you'll see a message above your account "Your account is closed and no longer available for use. If you have a balance remaining on the account, please continue to
    make monthly payments by the due date."; your card will no longer work; and within 7 days you'll receive a letter in the mail notifying you of the closure and the reason to it.
Q: Do they close down all my cards or just one?
A: If your shutdown was a result of 'credit related risk', they usually close all your credit card accounts, while with 'perk abusers' they used to shut down all of your cards (April '12), but lately, it is limited to the accounts involved in the abuse.
Q: Do they shut down other accounts such as checking, savings or investment accounts?
A: Lately people are reporting getting their checking account closed when getting A/A'd.
Q: Once my card is closed, can I still access my points?
A: Again there's a difference whats the reason your account was closed. Ironically, if its because of 'credit risk', your points will be forfeited, (and that used to be the case with 'perk abusers' during the April '12 A/A wave), but if its because of 'perk abuse', you'll get a certain amount of time (from 2 to 90 days - as specified on your letter) to transfer or redeem your points.

How To Get Back

Q: Once one was shut down, is there any point of calling  customer service or any other department and try to convince them to reopen the closed accounts?
A: If your account was closed due to 'perk abuse' there is -almost- no way to convince them to reopen it (unless there was an error, and you really didn't commit any violations of the
     terms and conditions).
     But if your account was closed for credit related reasons, you might have luck by calling the executive dept. 1888-622-7547 and trying to explain them why it might've looked like your at risk of default, but in fact, there is nothing to worry about. But of course YMMV with this.
Q: Can I apply for a new credit card after my accounts were closed?
A: Yes. There are a multiple reports of people being approved for a new Chase card after waiting a few months and applying again. But some were not that lucky, and some had their new accounts closed a few days after approval.
« Last edited by Iz on March 22, 2017, 11:26:51 PM »

Poll

Have You Been A/A'ed?

Yes, I've Been Shut Down And Received 1 Cent Per Point :(
10 (1.6%)
Yes, I've Been Shut Down And Received Nothing For My Points >:(
62 (10%)
No (Bli Ayin Horah)
455 (73.4%)
I Was Shut Down But Was Able To Get Reopened After Appeal
24 (3.9%)
Yes, I've Been Shut Down But Was Able To Transfer Points To Miles
69 (11.1%)

Total Members Voted: 618

Author Topic: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)  (Read 1700073 times)

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2940 on: August 22, 2013, 10:46:22 PM »
Until we see firsthand proof I'm on the fence.
Too many unknowns to start scaring people.
I'm not going to sleep tonight now:D

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2941 on: August 22, 2013, 10:56:37 PM »
Heard a report of someone shut down yesterday, no gift cards etc. only regular spending.

Only red flags are 1) Paid bill in cash at branch, 2) Sold points (I'm not sure if its UR>UR or UR>partner)

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2942 on: August 22, 2013, 11:01:22 PM »

Sold points (I'm not sure if its UR>UR or UR>partner)
Are you able to find out because that makes a difference?

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2943 on: August 22, 2013, 11:28:19 PM »
From Friend:

 " I spoke with broker directly. The accounts shut only did UR>UA, never UR>UR."

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2944 on: August 22, 2013, 11:33:56 PM »
From Friend:

 " I spoke with broker directly. The accounts shut only did UR>UA, never UR>UR."
Any more details.
To multiple accounts?

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2945 on: August 22, 2013, 11:43:21 PM »
From Friend:

 " I spoke with broker directly. The accounts shut only did UR>UA, never UR>UR."
If that's the case then why aren't we hearing from thousands of others who have done that as well?
Still skeptical here based on just an isolated report.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2946 on: August 22, 2013, 11:45:59 PM »
If that's the case then why aren't we hearing from thousands of others who have done that as well?
Still skeptical here based on just an isolated report.
There are reports of ur->ur though and same rules apply to ur->ua.  So why would they only enforce ur->ur?

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2947 on: August 22, 2013, 11:47:22 PM »
How the heck would I know?
But hundreds of people have reported being shut down for UR-UR and not one person here has a firsthand report of UR>UA shutdown.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2948 on: August 22, 2013, 11:50:36 PM »
If that's the case then why aren't we hearing from thousands of others who have done that as well?
Still skeptical here based on just an isolated report.

Unfortunately, everything starts as isolated. These are the reports, hoping it doesn't turn into thousands.

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2949 on: August 22, 2013, 11:53:55 PM »
How the heck would I know?
But hundreds of people have reported being shut down for UR-UR and not one person here has a firsthand report of UR>UA shutdown.
not saying you would,  just wondering why it would be different

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2950 on: August 23, 2013, 12:00:36 AM »
Heard a report of someone shut down yesterday, no gift cards etc. only regular spending.

Only red flags are 1) Paid bill in cash at branch, 2) Sold points (I'm not sure if its UR>UR or UR>partner)
Are you sure there wasn't any high credit utilization or crazy spending.

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2951 on: August 23, 2013, 12:05:46 AM »
People love to post scare stories but there are almost always other factors that they don't tell us.

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2952 on: August 23, 2013, 12:06:13 AM »
Unfortunately, everything starts as isolated. These are the reports, hoping it doesn't turn into thousands.
There have also been "isolated" incidents of PGGM or AA GCs not working or a new ffn not working.
I've long since learned to ignore the noise as it's meaningless 99% of the time.  And when something actually does change you'll hear the roar.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2953 on: August 23, 2013, 12:06:23 AM »
People love to post scare stories but there are almost always other factors that they don't tell us.
+1,000.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2954 on: August 23, 2013, 12:22:01 AM »
And when something actually does change you'll hear the roar.
By then it is to late.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2955 on: August 23, 2013, 12:25:07 AM »
No, i cant be certain why my acct was closed (including checking). But here is the report from a very trustworthy friend


"I just found out right now, otherwise I would have said earlier: Chase has been shutting down accounts, and I mean total A/A (checking, etc) over the last week or so, ***EVEN FOR XFERS TO UA***! Two separate brokers that deal heavy in UR contacted me about it about an hour ago. It seems to be based on IP, so be sure to proxy for Chase if you aren't already."
How can it be IP based? I hope no one is stupid enough to give a broker access to your account.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2956 on: August 23, 2013, 12:25:14 AM »
By then it is to late.
If Chase is really going to crack down on UR>UA then it's too late already.  But an isolated case doesn't mean much of anything.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2957 on: August 23, 2013, 12:25:35 AM »
How can it be IP based? I hope no one is stupid enough to give a broker access to your account.
You'd be surprised.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2958 on: August 23, 2013, 12:28:21 AM »
If Chase is really going to crack down on UR>UA then it's too late already.
Going to have to disagree with this base on the past AARP AA taken by Chase. It came in waves. Same thing with the recent TYP AA by Citi.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2959 on: August 23, 2013, 12:30:51 AM »
Going to have to disagree with this base on the past AARP AA taken by Chase. It came in waves. Same thing with the recent TYP AA by Citi.
And if there is a wave now then anyone who transferred to UA in the past few months is likely toast.
Except that we've see no evidence of a wave.
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