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Q: Hi, I searched all over the internet for an active link of the Chase American Airlines credit card and couldn't find one. How did you guys manage to get this card?
A: Ha ha... There's (currently) no co-branded Chase AA credit card, this thread is discussing 'Chase Adverse Action'. As a general rule, AA refers to 'American Airlines', while A/A refers to 'Adverse Action'.

Q: What does Chase A/A look like? Can I do something to prevent that from happening? And once I'm hit, is there anything I can do to get back in the game?
A: To better address all the questions and concerns, we'll divide it in three sections:

1) What Are The Triggers?
2) What Happens?
3) How To Get Back

What Are The Triggers?

Basically, there are two possibilities that might trigger a Chase A/A:
Credit Related Risk
-Opening too many new cards in a short period of time, (even from other banks, and even being added as an additional user is considered as opening a new account, even a spike in your total CL even from being  additional user has been a trigger for many people - Dec 2013);
-A sudden excessive use of your cards;
-Maxing out your available credit limit.
-Buying large amounts of Chase GC (most people didn't have problems but lately some people are getting shut down for this).
Of course, there is no general rule with these things, it mostly varies by your particular credit file and worthiness.

Perk Abuse
-Transferring Ultimate Rewards points to someone else's account other than your spouse or domestic partner;
 both, the sender and the recipient, are at risk of A/A.
-Abuse of the 5% cashback bonus on the AARP card.

What Happens?

Q: What does a Chase A/A look like? How do I know whether I was shut down or not?
A: If you can't access your online account on chase.com, this is not A/A.
    When you encounter such a thing it could be because 1) the website is undergoing maintenance - wait till the site is back up; 2) a sever error - try using
    different browser
; 3) you didn't log in to your account for a while - call the number on the back of your card; 4) a security concern (resulted by a large QuickPay
    transfer or similar - call the number on the back of your card.
    When you get hit by A/A, you'll see a message above your account "Your account is closed and no longer available for use. If you have a balance remaining on the account, please continue to
    make monthly payments by the due date."; your card will no longer work; and within 7 days you'll receive a letter in the mail notifying you of the closure and the reason to it.
Q: Do they close down all my cards or just one?
A: If your shutdown was a result of 'credit related risk', they usually close all your credit card accounts, while with 'perk abusers' they used to shut down all of your cards (April '12), but lately, it is limited to the accounts involved in the abuse.
Q: Do they shut down other accounts such as checking, savings or investment accounts?
A: Lately people are reporting getting their checking account closed when getting A/A'd.
Q: Once my card is closed, can I still access my points?
A: Again there's a difference whats the reason your account was closed. Ironically, if its because of 'credit risk', your points will be forfeited, (and that used to be the case with 'perk abusers' during the April '12 A/A wave), but if its because of 'perk abuse', you'll get a certain amount of time (from 2 to 90 days - as specified on your letter) to transfer or redeem your points.

How To Get Back

Q: Once one was shut down, is there any point of calling  customer service or any other department and try to convince them to reopen the closed accounts?
A: If your account was closed due to 'perk abuse' there is -almost- no way to convince them to reopen it (unless there was an error, and you really didn't commit any violations of the
     terms and conditions).
     But if your account was closed for credit related reasons, you might have luck by calling the executive dept. 1888-622-7547 and trying to explain them why it might've looked like your at risk of default, but in fact, there is nothing to worry about. But of course YMMV with this.
Q: Can I apply for a new credit card after my accounts were closed?
A: Yes. There are a multiple reports of people being approved for a new Chase card after waiting a few months and applying again. But some were not that lucky, and some had their new accounts closed a few days after approval.
« Last edited by Iz on March 22, 2017, 11:26:51 PM »

Poll

Have You Been A/A'ed?

Yes, I've Been Shut Down And Received 1 Cent Per Point :(
10 (1.6%)
Yes, I've Been Shut Down And Received Nothing For My Points >:(
62 (10%)
No (Bli Ayin Horah)
455 (73.4%)
I Was Shut Down But Was Able To Get Reopened After Appeal
24 (3.9%)
Yes, I've Been Shut Down But Was Able To Transfer Points To Miles
69 (11.1%)

Total Members Voted: 618

Author Topic: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)  (Read 1707587 times)

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3340 on: October 06, 2013, 10:16:15 AM »
No.

How about a member of the Chase Private Bank?

And are you sure about this?

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3341 on: October 06, 2013, 10:53:02 AM »
How about a member of the Chase Private Bank?

And are you sure about this?
A banker once told me that if a banker really wants he can get once accounts reopened so I believe Chase private client baker can do the same. they probebly have more power then standard banker.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3342 on: October 06, 2013, 12:02:54 PM »
How about a member of the Chase Private Bank?

And are you sure about this?
No and yes.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3343 on: October 06, 2013, 01:10:03 PM »
I know my friend was shout down a few years ago even before UR and recently he opened large checking accounts and CC and he got approved but was closed because old relationship

Has anyone who has gotten A/Aed been approved again by Chase, and they actually let them keep the new accounts? I know Chase likes to approve A/Aed people after a good amount of time has passed, but then they shut them down again promptly after their system sees that they were A/Aed in the past.

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3344 on: October 06, 2013, 01:26:30 PM »
Many people.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3345 on: October 06, 2013, 01:27:03 PM »
Are people avoiding these fabricated  spending patterns because of fear of A/A? I know that Dan claims that he's been buying Vr's etc., but how do most people around here feel about all these spending patterns?
Nah, I'm the only one buying VRs  ::)
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3346 on: October 06, 2013, 01:29:33 PM »
Dan, where was the 30k, party?

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3347 on: October 06, 2013, 03:20:47 PM »
Dan, where was the 30k, party?

Wrong post!
Airlines sending me "We're in this together" emails.

Bruh, where were you when my suitcase weighed it 51.50 pounds?

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3348 on: October 08, 2013, 02:17:12 PM »
Is it considered safe to pay chase CC from Bluebird?
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3349 on: October 08, 2013, 02:50:37 PM »
Halevay we would know.......
You can say what you think when you think what you say.

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3350 on: October 08, 2013, 02:52:17 PM »
Some people reported AA risk.  That is why I am asking.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3351 on: October 08, 2013, 03:35:46 PM »
Is it considered safe to pay chase CC from Bluebird?
Dan mentioned upthread to stay away from it for now.

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3352 on: October 08, 2013, 03:40:52 PM »
Dan mentioned upthread to stay away from it for now.

What would be the safest way to pay chase CC from funds in BB?  I read that other people said not to transfer the funds to your bank account because this could be construed as money laundering. 
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3353 on: October 08, 2013, 03:51:16 PM »
What would be the safest way to pay chase CC from funds in BB?  I read that other people said not to transfer the funds to your bank account because this could be construed as money laundering.
Not construed as money laundering but BB has been known to shut down people who abuse this option.
I would use pay bills to send a check to my wife.

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3354 on: October 09, 2013, 06:17:35 PM »
Nah, I'm the only one buying VRs  ::)
I'd imagine that you're not the only one buying VR's ;), but I was just wondering if people are concerned and are therefore being more careful with Chase. I, for example, have no problem buying VR's with Amex because worst case scenario I'll be Fr'd.

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3355 on: October 09, 2013, 06:32:58 PM »
Not construed as money laundering but BB has been known to shut down people who abuse this option.
I would use pay bills to send a check to my wife.
I don't want to deposit a lot of money right now since I'm in the process applying for gov't programs. Is there a way to do this, cash the check and then pay Chase without triggering A/A? IIRC it was mentioned that paying bills with large amounts of cash was not a good idea.

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3356 on: October 09, 2013, 06:46:49 PM »
I don't want to deposit a lot of money right now since I'm in the process applying for gov't programs. Is there a way to do this, cash the check and then pay Chase without triggering A/A? IIRC it was mentioned that paying bills with large amounts of cash was not a good idea.
Why not put the check straight towards your cc?

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3357 on: October 09, 2013, 06:57:45 PM »
Why not put the check straight towards your cc?
You mean make it out to my wife, have her endorse it and then use it to pay the CC?

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3358 on: October 10, 2013, 04:40:59 PM »
So, I applied for a Chase Freedom a few days ago - over two years since I was AAd. As expected, I called up later that day and declined due to 'previous negative relationship' with the bank. I called the Executive Department who called me back a day later. Bottom line - still declined. I spent way too much time on the phone with them and here is what I learnt. Note: This wasn't all said overtly but became apparent as the conversation wore on.

They claim to have done a through review of my file, but in reality all the Executive Department has the power to do is review the application to determine if process was followed. Because procedure dictates that when a customer has a 'red flag' (her term) the application is denied therefore she will not override. She repeatedly referred back to the original AA as being the result of too many recent applications, insufficient credit history and 'lots of other stuff' which to her meant lots of activity on my report.

I challenged her multiple times as to why she was only looking at my information from two years ago and not my current credit report (scores of 780) which is far cleaner then it was back then and she simply said 'we follow procedure.' She knew nothing about my current report and did not even have it open in front of her (I asked) despite her claim that she has my whole file right there. The vibe I got was that if she could she would approve me but procedure says she cannot. She claims that as a 'consumer' herself she can understand why I'd be frustrated but all she can suggest is that I try again in a few months but for now the decision remains (must have said this 20 times).  I asked what will change in a few months and she simply said 'anything could change.'

Basically, I received the same stock answers as the last two times I applied since being AAd. I have little faith that the Executive Department has any real powers and that its really possible to speak to a human who is empowered to take a real look at the situation. They blindly rely on previous decisions whether or not they were correct. It was a very odd conversation. I knew and she knew that what I had to say made a lot of sense, yet she kept on going back to her script.

I would love to hear from someone who was AAd and has the 'previous negative relationship with the bank' notation on their account and successfully re-applied. Is there anyone else to talk to? Anything else that can be done?

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3359 on: October 10, 2013, 04:42:53 PM »
Why were you AAd in the first place?
What do you do after your dreams come true?