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Q: Hi, I searched all over the internet for an active link of the Chase American Airlines credit card and couldn't find one. How did you guys manage to get this card?
A: Ha ha... There's (currently) no co-branded Chase AA credit card, this thread is discussing 'Chase Adverse Action'. As a general rule, AA refers to 'American Airlines', while A/A refers to 'Adverse Action'.

Q: What does Chase A/A look like? Can I do something to prevent that from happening? And once I'm hit, is there anything I can do to get back in the game?
A: To better address all the questions and concerns, we'll divide it in three sections:

1) What Are The Triggers?
2) What Happens?
3) How To Get Back

What Are The Triggers?

Basically, there are two possibilities that might trigger a Chase A/A:
Credit Related Risk
-Opening too many new cards in a short period of time, (even from other banks, and even being added as an additional user is considered as opening a new account, even a spike in your total CL even from being  additional user has been a trigger for many people - Dec 2013);
-A sudden excessive use of your cards;
-Maxing out your available credit limit.
-Buying large amounts of Chase GC (most people didn't have problems but lately some people are getting shut down for this).
Of course, there is no general rule with these things, it mostly varies by your particular credit file and worthiness.

Perk Abuse
-Transferring Ultimate Rewards points to someone else's account other than your spouse or domestic partner;
 both, the sender and the recipient, are at risk of A/A.
-Abuse of the 5% cashback bonus on the AARP card.

What Happens?

Q: What does a Chase A/A look like? How do I know whether I was shut down or not?
A: If you can't access your online account on chase.com, this is not A/A.
    When you encounter such a thing it could be because 1) the website is undergoing maintenance - wait till the site is back up; 2) a sever error - try using
    different browser
; 3) you didn't log in to your account for a while - call the number on the back of your card; 4) a security concern (resulted by a large QuickPay
    transfer or similar - call the number on the back of your card.
    When you get hit by A/A, you'll see a message above your account "Your account is closed and no longer available for use. If you have a balance remaining on the account, please continue to
    make monthly payments by the due date."; your card will no longer work; and within 7 days you'll receive a letter in the mail notifying you of the closure and the reason to it.
Q: Do they close down all my cards or just one?
A: If your shutdown was a result of 'credit related risk', they usually close all your credit card accounts, while with 'perk abusers' they used to shut down all of your cards (April '12), but lately, it is limited to the accounts involved in the abuse.
Q: Do they shut down other accounts such as checking, savings or investment accounts?
A: Lately people are reporting getting their checking account closed when getting A/A'd.
Q: Once my card is closed, can I still access my points?
A: Again there's a difference whats the reason your account was closed. Ironically, if its because of 'credit risk', your points will be forfeited, (and that used to be the case with 'perk abusers' during the April '12 A/A wave), but if its because of 'perk abuse', you'll get a certain amount of time (from 2 to 90 days - as specified on your letter) to transfer or redeem your points.

How To Get Back

Q: Once one was shut down, is there any point of calling  customer service or any other department and try to convince them to reopen the closed accounts?
A: If your account was closed due to 'perk abuse' there is -almost- no way to convince them to reopen it (unless there was an error, and you really didn't commit any violations of the
     terms and conditions).
     But if your account was closed for credit related reasons, you might have luck by calling the executive dept. 1888-622-7547 and trying to explain them why it might've looked like your at risk of default, but in fact, there is nothing to worry about. But of course YMMV with this.
Q: Can I apply for a new credit card after my accounts were closed?
A: Yes. There are a multiple reports of people being approved for a new Chase card after waiting a few months and applying again. But some were not that lucky, and some had their new accounts closed a few days after approval.
« Last edited by Iz on March 22, 2017, 11:26:51 PM »

Poll

Have You Been A/A'ed?

Yes, I've Been Shut Down And Received 1 Cent Per Point :(
10 (1.6%)
Yes, I've Been Shut Down And Received Nothing For My Points >:(
62 (10%)
No (Bli Ayin Horah)
455 (73.4%)
I Was Shut Down But Was Able To Get Reopened After Appeal
24 (3.9%)
Yes, I've Been Shut Down But Was Able To Transfer Points To Miles
69 (11.1%)

Total Members Voted: 618

Author Topic: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)  (Read 1706561 times)

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3700 on: October 16, 2013, 12:32:23 PM »
My cousin had all his accts closed, never did anything non-legit. He went into a branch, was told he is going to get a letter in the mail.

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3701 on: October 16, 2013, 12:57:32 PM »
When did he get his accounts shut down?

Would like to know as well

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Last week

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3702 on: October 16, 2013, 01:34:20 PM »
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Quote from: myb821 on Yesterday at 06:35:51 pm
Honestly if they stole my UR points I would take them to small claims court.

Hare is the T&C

Ultimate Rewards:

Right to Change/Modify/Cancel: The Program and benefits are offered at our sole discretion. We reserve
the right to alter or waive any Program feature or benefit prospectively or retroactively, including, without
limitation, participation fees, point accrual or redemption criteria, or to cancel or temporarily suspend the
Program at any time without prior notice.

So they will win.
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The court is not always siding with their T&C.
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Their business model of soliciting you for their cards and shutting you down and stealing your points which you could have earned elsewhere is misleading and most probably a judge will not side with their bad faith procedures even if their "T&C" (which no one ever looks at small lettering T&C) state otherwise.

In truth all this is irrelevant as most probably they will want to settle with you before going to court to avoid hefty legal fees, possible bad media rap, and the chance of losing case which will set precedent for future which is not in their favor.

Go for it! Sue their pants off!!!

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3703 on: October 16, 2013, 01:56:36 PM »
In truth all this is irrelevant as most probably they will want to settle with you before going to court to avoid hefty legal fees, possible bad media rap, and the chance of losing case which will set precedent for future which is not in their favor.

Go for it! Sue their pants off!!!

I'd have to agree that in the current environment, with regulators breathing down Chase's back, they would probably want to avoid any legal issues and especially avoid more bad press.

Chase paid more that $8 Billion in fines since 2011

JPMorgan devoted $21.3 billion to legal fees and litigation since the start of 2008

JPMorgan Raises Legal Reserve by at Least $1.5 Billion

U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder told the Wall Street Journal last month that Wall Street should prepare for a wave of financial crisis era lawsuits, and he was specifically asked about Jamie Dimon, JP Morgan's CEO, and his bank.

In the past, there have been reports of people sending (to Chase's registered agent) a letter of intent to sue in small claims court, and they got a call from the legal department willing to settle.

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3704 on: October 16, 2013, 02:40:57 PM »
A lot of big companies (I don't know about chase in particular) almost never settle when a customer sues them. They fight tooth and nail to not open the door to other lawsuits

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3705 on: October 16, 2013, 02:43:11 PM »
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Their business model of soliciting you for their cards and shutting you down and stealing your points which you could have earned elsewhere is misleading and most probably a judge will not side with their bad faith procedures even if their "T&C" (which no one ever looks at small lettering T&C) state otherwise.

In truth all this is irrelevant as most probably they will want to settle with you before going to court to avoid hefty legal fees, possible bad media rap, and the chance of losing case which will set precedent for future which is not in their favor.

Go for it! Sue their pants off!!!

Then again, if they can show you were gaming their rewards program, signing up for cards and cancelling, manufacturing spend etc, a judge might have so much compassion

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3707 on: October 16, 2013, 04:54:06 PM »
A lot of big companies (I don't know about chase in particular) almost never settle when a customer sues them. They fight tooth and nail to not open the door to other lawsuits

The difference is that once it becomes official they might fight. However we are talking about settling even before you file the actual suit. Additionally in the settlement there will certainly be a non-disclosure agreement.

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3708 on: October 16, 2013, 05:15:45 PM »
People here talk and talk and talk and talk and then they talk again.

Why won't anyone just actually give it a try and file a claim?
As one poster said above in the thread, had that happen to me I'd definitely do that.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3709 on: October 16, 2013, 05:46:44 PM »
People here talk and talk and talk and talk and then they talk again.

Why won't anyone just actually give it a try and file a claim?
As one poster said above in the thread, had that happen to me I'd definitely do that.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3710 on: October 16, 2013, 06:18:47 PM »
By the way, I just wanna let all of you victims know:
I know a DDFer who actually went ahead and filed a claim. They came forward to settle with him.
And no, its not me, because he had to sign a confidentiality agreement.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3711 on: October 16, 2013, 06:23:53 PM »
And no, its not me, because he had to sign a confidentiality agreement.
First time I heard of this. Was it a very large amount of money involved?
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3712 on: October 16, 2013, 06:32:31 PM »
By the way, I just wanna let all of you victims know:
I know a DDFer who actually went ahead and filed a claim. They came forward to settle with him.
And no, its not me, because he had to sign a confidentiality agreement.
Settled meaning getting accound reopened or getting back UR?

Ohhhhh... Your talking about the Chase AA, or the DDF AA?   :P
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3713 on: October 16, 2013, 07:13:43 PM »
It was Chase, not DDF - for this time.

They don't reopen accounts, just settle the confiscated points.

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3714 on: October 16, 2013, 09:11:50 PM »
I read thru most posts in this thread, I must say that there is for sure something going on because it comes in waves, like first a big shutdown then quiet and then bam more ppl are shut. Why is chase doing this? It may sound silly but perhaps it is a way to avoid paying UR? The scan high UR for anyone with flags and then bam close 1000 accounts and they saved  over 2 million dollars. Think about it.

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3715 on: October 16, 2013, 09:13:22 PM »
I read thru most posts in this thread, I must say that there is for sure something going on because it comes in waves, like first a big shutdown then quiet and then bam more ppl are shut. Why is chase doing this? It may sound silly but perhaps it is a way to avoid paying UR? The scan high UR for anyone with flags and then bam close 1000 accounts and they saved  over 2 million dollars. Think about it.
Chase cares about 2 million dollars, like you care about 2 bucks. Think about it.

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3716 on: October 16, 2013, 09:21:19 PM »
Chase cares about 2 million dollars, like you care about 2 bucks. Think about it.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3717 on: October 16, 2013, 09:21:58 PM »
Ok, so who gets nervous every time they sign onto chase.com?

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3718 on: October 16, 2013, 09:25:41 PM »
If someone votes NO on, Have You Been A/A'ed? what should he do if he gets A/A'ed? 8)
You can say what you think when you think what you say.

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #3719 on: October 16, 2013, 09:33:24 PM »
If someone votes NO on, Have You Been A/A'ed? what should he do if he gets A/A'ed? 8)
remove his vote and vote again