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Q: Hi, I searched all over the internet for an active link of the Chase American Airlines credit card and couldn't find one. How did you guys manage to get this card?
A: Ha ha... There's (currently) no co-branded Chase AA credit card, this thread is discussing 'Chase Adverse Action'. As a general rule, AA refers to 'American Airlines', while A/A refers to 'Adverse Action'.

Q: What does Chase A/A look like? Can I do something to prevent that from happening? And once I'm hit, is there anything I can do to get back in the game?
A: To better address all the questions and concerns, we'll divide it in three sections:

1) What Are The Triggers?
2) What Happens?
3) How To Get Back

What Are The Triggers?

Basically, there are two possibilities that might trigger a Chase A/A:
Credit Related Risk
-Opening too many new cards in a short period of time, (even from other banks, and even being added as an additional user is considered as opening a new account, even a spike in your total CL even from being  additional user has been a trigger for many people - Dec 2013);
-A sudden excessive use of your cards;
-Maxing out your available credit limit.
-Buying large amounts of Chase GC (most people didn't have problems but lately some people are getting shut down for this).
Of course, there is no general rule with these things, it mostly varies by your particular credit file and worthiness.

Perk Abuse
-Transferring Ultimate Rewards points to someone else's account other than your spouse or domestic partner;
 both, the sender and the recipient, are at risk of A/A.
-Abuse of the 5% cashback bonus on the AARP card.

What Happens?

Q: What does a Chase A/A look like? How do I know whether I was shut down or not?
A: If you can't access your online account on chase.com, this is not A/A.
    When you encounter such a thing it could be because 1) the website is undergoing maintenance - wait till the site is back up; 2) a sever error - try using
    different browser
; 3) you didn't log in to your account for a while - call the number on the back of your card; 4) a security concern (resulted by a large QuickPay
    transfer or similar - call the number on the back of your card.
    When you get hit by A/A, you'll see a message above your account "Your account is closed and no longer available for use. If you have a balance remaining on the account, please continue to
    make monthly payments by the due date."; your card will no longer work; and within 7 days you'll receive a letter in the mail notifying you of the closure and the reason to it.
Q: Do they close down all my cards or just one?
A: If your shutdown was a result of 'credit related risk', they usually close all your credit card accounts, while with 'perk abusers' they used to shut down all of your cards (April '12), but lately, it is limited to the accounts involved in the abuse.
Q: Do they shut down other accounts such as checking, savings or investment accounts?
A: Lately people are reporting getting their checking account closed when getting A/A'd.
Q: Once my card is closed, can I still access my points?
A: Again there's a difference whats the reason your account was closed. Ironically, if its because of 'credit risk', your points will be forfeited, (and that used to be the case with 'perk abusers' during the April '12 A/A wave), but if its because of 'perk abuse', you'll get a certain amount of time (from 2 to 90 days - as specified on your letter) to transfer or redeem your points.

How To Get Back

Q: Once one was shut down, is there any point of calling  customer service or any other department and try to convince them to reopen the closed accounts?
A: If your account was closed due to 'perk abuse' there is -almost- no way to convince them to reopen it (unless there was an error, and you really didn't commit any violations of the
     terms and conditions).
     But if your account was closed for credit related reasons, you might have luck by calling the executive dept. 1888-622-7547 and trying to explain them why it might've looked like your at risk of default, but in fact, there is nothing to worry about. But of course YMMV with this.
Q: Can I apply for a new credit card after my accounts were closed?
A: Yes. There are a multiple reports of people being approved for a new Chase card after waiting a few months and applying again. But some were not that lucky, and some had their new accounts closed a few days after approval.
« Last edited by Iz on March 22, 2017, 11:26:51 PM »

Poll

Have You Been A/A'ed?

Yes, I've Been Shut Down And Received 1 Cent Per Point :(
10 (1.6%)
Yes, I've Been Shut Down And Received Nothing For My Points >:(
62 (10%)
No (Bli Ayin Horah)
455 (73.4%)
I Was Shut Down But Was Able To Get Reopened After Appeal
24 (3.9%)
Yes, I've Been Shut Down But Was Able To Transfer Points To Miles
69 (11.1%)

Total Members Voted: 618

Author Topic: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)  (Read 1699757 times)

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5200 on: October 15, 2014, 05:30:25 PM »
Just spoke to exec dept 8 months out from A/A. Asked if they'll reconsider our relationship and allow me to apply for credit cards. Guy was really nice. Took info and said they will consider it and call me back within three business days.

Will update.

Good luck indeed. They are always polite in the exec department...don't read too much into it.

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Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5201 on: October 18, 2014, 09:33:54 PM »
The lady I spoke to initially was far from polite.

Not expecting much more than ״not at this time" but can't hurt to try. Doesn't involve a hard pull ;)

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5202 on: October 18, 2014, 10:42:47 PM »
The lady I spoke to initially was far from polite.

Not expecting much more than ״not at this time" but can't hurt to try. Doesn't involve a hard pull ;)
What did she say?

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5203 on: October 18, 2014, 11:03:11 PM »
She just said there is nothing she can say or do but was very cold and hard and not at all courteous.

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5204 on: October 18, 2014, 11:59:24 PM »
She just said there is nothing she can say or do but was very cold and hard and not at all courteous.
You wrote "The lady I spoke to initially was far from polite."
Seems like you expect a follow-up. Why?

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5205 on: October 19, 2014, 12:02:16 AM »
Initially as in when I first got hit, as opposed to now almost a year later...

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5206 on: October 19, 2014, 12:26:09 AM »
Initially as in when I first got hit, as opposed to now almost a year later...
Oh. Thought it was a follow-up from your previous post.
My experience was that even initially they were very polite. Each time i called they "looked into the matter," but always came back with the same verdict. Very politely, though.

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5207 on: October 20, 2014, 03:01:59 PM »
Chase took AA action 11 days ago and closed my SOs three UR-earning accounts (got the "activity on the account differs from what we usually see" letters) but not our other two Chase CCs. We were averaging about 4K per month in office purchases (almost all GCs) on Ink, and maxing out most of the Freedom quarterly bonuses (we were rarely using the Sapphire). In addition, we had applied for and been approved for a number of CCs (but only one Chase CC) within the past four months (would've been seen on Chase's soft pulls). So the accounts were probably closed for MS and/or the high number of new account openings. Ordinarily, I'd try to find out the reason for the closures and appeal to the Executive Office, which is probably a long shot. But if Chase doesn't close our other two accounts, I'm thinking it would be best not to call (haven't done so yet), as the two open accounts would suggest we may not be blacklisted from non-UR-earning Chase CCs and I don't want to call attention to the fact our other two accounts remain open. Thoughts?

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5208 on: October 20, 2014, 03:06:37 PM »
They'll get to them, just watch.  :(

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5209 on: October 21, 2014, 03:55:51 PM »
They'll get to them, just watch.  :(

That what I thought. But according to the Wiki, recently, when Chase has closed CC accounts for "perk abuse," it has only been closing the CC accounts involved in the perk abuse (this is a BS reason, but I'll use the phrase for simplicity's sake). Can anyone confirm with a data point that this has occurred?

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5210 on: October 21, 2014, 04:40:49 PM »
i did have success b"h  A lawyer did contact me 2 days before the court date ...
i just finished up with chase b"h

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5211 on: October 21, 2014, 09:30:57 PM »
i just finished up with chase b"h
What were the results?
Love me or hate me. I still love you.

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5212 on: October 22, 2014, 01:08:11 AM »

Just spoke to exec dept 8 months out from A/A. Asked if they'll reconsider our relationship and allow me to apply for credit cards. Guy was really nice. Took info and said they will consider it and call me back within three business days.

Will update.
Got email and voicemail today to call to follow up.

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Dear YG,

I am contacting you on behalf of Chase Card Services Executive Office in response to the concerns addressed to our office.  Thank you for the opportunity to review your inquiry.  If you could please contact me at your earliest convenience, I would like to speak with you further regarding your concern.
.......
Will update after I call tomorrow iy'H

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5213 on: October 22, 2014, 01:11:50 PM »
Recently did a 4BM, including Chase ink 70k and Chase Hyatt. Was approved for Hyatt, but denied for ink. Just got off the phone with biz recon and she still declined me, and said that she is submitting request for financial review because my credit line far exceeds what I should have in relation to my income. She said too many cards opened in the past year with too much credit. She then proceeded to tell me every card I have and the credit line on it. She said that she didn't think that they would close any accounts, but they may reduce my credit line.
What can I expect now? My income will not be able to be verified.
Can I take any action or is this a waiting game? I already transferred all my UR points out into my husband's acct. Are both accounts at risk? Does he need to watch his account now too? (We have joint checking, and we are AUs on a few of each other's cards).

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5214 on: October 22, 2014, 03:25:27 PM »
Friend of mine was A/Aed a couple of months ago for committing point abuse,

Two weeks ago he tried his luck by applying online for the SP while changing his address on the application to his moms address... The application was denied, and he never even called recon since he knew their answer..

Yesterday - almost two weeks after applying - he gets a call from the 8009359935 people... they wanted him to verify his identity, which he did, then they wanted to know why the address change, after explaining that too... they approved him for $9k!

I hope this is some shine at the end of the tunnel.




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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5215 on: October 22, 2014, 04:04:41 PM »
Recently did a 4BM, including Chase ink 70k and Chase Hyatt. Was approved for Hyatt, but denied for ink. Just got off the phone with biz recon and she still declined me, and said that she is submitting request for financial review because my credit line far exceeds what I should have in relation to my income. She said too many cards opened in the past year with too much credit. She then proceeded to tell me every card I have and the credit line on it. She said that she didn't think that they would close any accounts, but they may reduce my credit line.
What can I expect now? My income will not be able to be verified.
Can I take any action or is this a waiting game? I already transferred all my UR points out into my husband's acct. Are both accounts at risk? Does he need to watch his account now too? (We have joint checking, and we are AUs on a few of each other's cards).
Sit tight and hope for the best.

Your points should be safe, as per recent post's, chase is letting customers being AA'ed keep their points.

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5216 on: October 22, 2014, 05:22:11 PM »

Friend of mine was A/Aed a couple of months ago for committing point abuse,

Two weeks ago he tried his luck by applying online for the SP while changing his address on the application to his moms address... The application was denied, and he never even called recon since he knew their answer..

Yesterday - almost two weeks after applying - he gets a call from the 8009359935 people... they wanted him to verify his identity, which he did, then they wanted to know why the address change, after explaining that too... they approved him for $9k!

I hope this is some shine at the end of the tunnel.

Please keep us posted about whether the new card is still open in a week.
Hope so for his sake (and mine;))

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5217 on: October 22, 2014, 05:32:28 PM »
Please keep us posted about whether the new card is still open in a week.
Hope so for his sake (and mine;))

i had the same thing applied from a different address when the card arrived my account was already closed ,it added some extra  :-\ :-\ :-\
"Credit Cards delaying arguments for 30 Days"

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5218 on: October 22, 2014, 05:45:31 PM »

i had the same thing applied from a different address when the card arrived my account was already closed ,it added some extra  :-\ :-\ :-\
Did they manually approve you, or was it instant?

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #5219 on: October 23, 2014, 08:05:12 AM »

Just spoke to exec dept 8 months out from A/A. Asked if they'll reconsider our relationship and allow me to apply for credit cards. Guy was really nice. Took info and said they will consider it and call me back within three business days.

Will update.

Waste of time as usual.
She told me there's no way she can predict what their decision will be. I have to apply and see. They will take credit history and previous relationships into account.

I told her a colleague had called the bank about the same issue and was told that chase was ready to overlook his relationship history and judge him based solely on credit and she said sorry but there's no one here that could tell you that.