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Re: MLB Master Thread
« Reply #5120 on: December 09, 2024, 09:04:46 AM »
So now does the Soto signing affect Pete Alonso? Are the Mets officially done and out of his race? Do the Yankees have an increased interest in him?
Hope Yankees don't sign him. He's not good anymore

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Re: MLB Master Thread
« Reply #5121 on: December 09, 2024, 09:16:02 AM »
Hope Yankees don't sign him. He's not good anymore
disagree. above average at first base too
Passaic isnt out of town

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Re: MLB Master Thread
« Reply #5122 on: December 09, 2024, 09:29:14 AM »
What young guys lol

They have holes at 50% of positions
jasson, rice, durbin, rumfield

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Re: MLB Master Thread
« Reply #5123 on: December 09, 2024, 10:24:15 AM »
Yankee fans finally see what it means to be a farm team for the rich teams...
Seeing videos of Yankees fans losing it at Soto.

Calling him Money Hungry LOL!

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Re: MLB Master Thread
« Reply #5124 on: December 09, 2024, 10:52:55 AM »
I'm not so sure. Yankees are in a borderline situation with the CBT, signing Soto would have pushed them over for a 4th straight year. We know they were willing to do that for him. But with him off the board I wouldn't be surprised if they pivoted to staying under the CBT and letting it reset. As a fan I'd rather see them be patient for a year and play the young guys then lock into the guys currently on the FA market, and then go big for Vlad/Tucker/both next offseason.
Assuming of course that they care about the CBT. It's starting to look like the Dodgers don't - they're going to be over for the 5th straight year. It's too early to say with the Mets, Yankees, Phillies but it's possible they also don't care anymore about being in the harshest penalty every year. Maybe the Yankees decide to do what the Dodgers are doing. In which case, as a fan, sure throw this all out and just spend on sub optimal options bc money doesn't matter
The Yankees have to fill 4 starting positions (and that's accounting for Dominguez starting in the of). Plus there is a bullpen to build. Even if they don't get "big" names, they still will spend more than 50 million. They're not going into the season with Dominguez, wells, volpe, durbin, rice, Oswaldo (and someone else) all starting. And they better not be dreaming of starting DJ.

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Re: MLB Master Thread
« Reply #5125 on: December 09, 2024, 11:24:17 AM »
The Yankees have to fill 4 starting positions (and that's accounting for Dominguez starting in the of). Plus there is a bullpen to build. Even if they don't get "big" names, they still will spend more than 50 million. They're not going into the season with Dominguez, wells, volpe, durbin, rice, Oswaldo (and someone else) all starting. And they better not be dreaming of starting DJ.
You could be right, but I think they can compete with that team lol, and that's what I would do vs lock into the current FA class and hinder future flexibility. I'd rather make big bets on soto / vlad / tucker types. Maybe they can get creative with trades and do something similar to the soto deal last yr (pitching for hitting). I'm bullish on the yankees pitching and ability to continue developing young pitching

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Re: MLB Master Thread
« Reply #5126 on: December 09, 2024, 11:28:45 AM »
You could be right, but I think they can compete with that team lol, and that's what I would do vs lock into the current FA class and hinder future flexibility. I'd rather make big bets on soto / vlad / tucker types. Maybe they can get creative with trades and do something similar to the soto deal last yr (pitching for hitting). I'm bullish on the yankees pitching and ability to continue developing young pitching
We agree the problem is the lineup. So your answer is to throw away the last year or two of judge and cole at the top of their game and put out a AAAA lineup to wait for one or two FA hitters after just missing out on the FA hitter they threw one of the biggest contracts ever at?


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Re: MLB Master Thread
« Reply #5127 on: December 09, 2024, 11:37:48 AM »
We agree the problem is the lineup. So your answer is to throw away the last year or two of judge and cole at the top of their game and put out a AAAA lineup to wait for one or two FA hitters after just missing out on the FA hitter they threw one of the biggest contracts ever at?
Yes. I'd rather Vlad/Tucker beginning in 2026 than Alonso/Bregman/Walker/Santander beginning in 2025. 

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Re: MLB Master Thread
« Reply #5128 on: December 09, 2024, 11:54:34 AM »
Yes. I'd rather Vlad/Tucker beginning in 2026 than Alonso/Bregman/Walker/Santander beginning in 2025.

Oh come on. They are not signing more than one of those players, and none of them preclude signing tucker or vlad if they become available.

I said they would spend more than 50. Let's say one of those players costs 20 - 30, they're left with 20-25 to compete a lineup, bench, and bullpen.

My prediction:

One of the top pitchers, likely Fried.
Teoscar Hernandez
Trade for second/third base (move jazz to the other)
Sign a short term 1b - two years max.

So we agree that they won't sign any of the 4 on your list, but they're still going to spend. Going in to the season trying kids is fine. But trying kids at a majority of positions is just crazy talk

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Re: MLB Master Thread
« Reply #5129 on: December 09, 2024, 12:32:39 PM »
Oh come on. They are not signing more than one of those players, and none of them preclude signing tucker or vlad if they become available.

I said they would spend more than 50. Let's say one of those players costs 20 - 30, they're left with 20-25 to compete a lineup, bench, and bullpen.

My prediction:

One of the top pitchers, likely Fried.
Teoscar Hernandez
Trade for second/third base (move jazz to the other)
Sign a short term 1b - two years max.

So we agree that they won't sign any of the 4 on your list, but they're still going to spend. Going in to the season trying kids is fine. But trying kids at a majority of positions is just crazy talk
We're talking a bit past each other because the strategy (what "should" the yankees do) is downstream from the budget, and we simply don't know their target salary number or willingness to go past the CBT threshold every year. I'm not disagreeing with anything you're saying if the assumption is they are comfortable blowing past the CBT again and don't want to take this opportunity to reset.
Like I said before I think you're right with what they'll do, but it's a non-zero chance that they choose to stay under CBT which means very limited adding unless they get creative. And I don't think it would be that "crazy" in the sense that we've pretty much seen this before, in '23 right before soto. Lineup stunk and they went 82-80. The past few years haven't been the George Steinbrenner yankees that buy a star at every position. Now, maybe they are trending back in that direction somewhat - we are seeing big market teams caring way less about the CBT threshold than they used to, which totally changes the economics of the sport. In which case, sure, sign the guys you listed. We'll find out soon enough - as soon as they make their first big splash and guarantee they're ok going over for max penalty 2 years in a row.

Which 1B do you want for 2 years? And why 2 years with Vlad hitting FA next year?

If you have Stanton at DH and a 1B locked up, you're not making a play for Vlad, which is unfortunate. And yeah I get not having 1 specific guy in mind, since Steve or the Dodgers can always swoop him too.. but I do think that is how you have to play the FA game. There is a massive difference between these 26 year olds and these 30+ year olds. Like you mentioned Judge having 1 or 2 good years left (i think he has a few more than that) - he's 32. Walker is actually 33. Bregman is also 30 and at least he's athletic and can move around the infield but how long before he loses a step. Santander has obp risk and is also 30. Alonso is 30.

BTW - Cole, Rodon, Gil, Schmidt, Stroman/Cortes, who are you bumping for Fried? He's not an ace. Sure, he's an improvement over a bunch of those guys, but to me, that would be a waste of money (again, assuming money matters). Unless paired with a trade, I don't think it's a good idea. Sasaki would be amazing (but has nothing to do with money or strategy it's all up to him) or Crochet but other than that, sp isn't where I'd focus at all

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Re: MLB Master Thread
« Reply #5130 on: December 09, 2024, 12:40:31 PM »
If they sign Fried or another top line starter, they're obviously trading away current pieces. I'm assuming Gil and Stroman don't play for the Yankees next year.

How many years till judge needs to move to first? It's good to move him to right now, that was the one pretty big drawback to signing soto, but even then, signing Vlad to block that position for a decade and a half might cause long term issues with the roster construction. (still would sign Vlad in a heartbeat, just bringing up the point)


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Re: MLB Master Thread
« Reply #5131 on: December 09, 2024, 01:27:26 PM »
If they sign Fried or another top line starter, they're obviously trading away current pieces. I'm assuming Gil and Stroman don't play for the Yankees next year.

How many years till judge needs to move to first? It's good to move him to right now, that was the one pretty big drawback to signing soto, but even then, signing Vlad to block that position for a decade and a half might cause long term issues with the roster construction. (still would sign Vlad in a heartbeat, just bringing up the point)
Gil should have a lot of trade value, and I love the idea of moving him now. Gil + something for 1 year of Vlad or Tucker would be Soto replicate move (there's no reason to think that trade is available, but I like the idea of it).
I can't imagine how Stroman is moved though, who would want him?
I think Judge has 3-4 years in RF before you want to move him to 1b/dh. Remember Stanton frees up DH after 2027.

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