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 My view on a statement like Rav Miller's is that whatever happens we are supposed to take a lesson out of it. When a tragedy happens and we say it may have been because of this that or the other thing it is simply to take a lesson from it for personal improvement. It is not to lay fault.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #1360 on: September 01, 2022, 05:04:19 PM »
You do realize it’s unfair and textbook racism to hold a community to a higher standard, right? You can make a plea for better traffic safety without simultaneously apologizing for inexcusable anti-Semitic intolerance.

The Buffalo shooter had plenty of excuses, no doubt.

Absolutely. The anti semetisim is abhorrent. I'm on the receiving side while walking to shul minding my own business almost every shabbos. And they will have to face their Creator one day and give a din vcheshbon. My point is that we find ourselves in a set of facts.

Fact # 1: We are in golus. The sooner we internalize that for ourselves, the better.
Fact # 2: We shouldn't do foolish things (like driving like a NYer in Lakewood) to exasperate this, even if we are right and they are wrong. Be smart, not right.

Nothing of the above means that we should allow our rights to be trampled upon. Like when Jackson and Toms River tried using local laws to stop building shuls it was 100% correct to sue them to stop those illegal and anti semetic laws. But some good old fashioned sechel is always called for. Yes, we are held to a higher standard, and we should live up to it.
   

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #1361 on: September 01, 2022, 07:03:36 PM »
they are the locals because we do not belong here in galus so we are not locals
Ah, you believe there is nothing wrong with a Gentile acting antisemitic towards a Jew and justifying it with us being in Galus?
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #1362 on: September 01, 2022, 07:04:23 PM »
Absolutely. The anti semetisim is abhorrent. I'm on the receiving side while walking to shul minding my own business almost every shabbos. And they will have to face their Creator one day and give a din vcheshbon. My point is that we find ourselves in a set of facts.

Fact # 1: We are in golus. The sooner we internalize that for ourselves, the better.
Fact # 2: We shouldn't do foolish things (like driving like a NYer in Lakewood) to exasperate this, even if we are right and they are wrong. Be smart, not right.

Nothing of the above means that we should allow our rights to be trampled upon. Like when Jackson and Toms River tried using local laws to stop building shuls it was 100% correct to sue them to stop those illegal and anti semetic laws. But some good old fashioned sechel is always called for. Yes, we are held to a higher standard, and we should live up to it.
 
I don’t disagree.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #1363 on: September 02, 2022, 06:36:35 PM »
Ah, you believe there is nothing wrong with a Gentile acting antisemitic towards a Jew and justifying it with us being in Galus?

not at all
its how we react to it that i might disagree

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #1364 on: September 02, 2022, 06:51:51 PM »
not at all
its how we react to it that i might disagree
Then you misread my post
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #1365 on: September 04, 2022, 03:12:09 AM »
Name a time someone told you you should have been gassed to death. When you committed no obvious wrongdoing.
according to some poskim, it's not anti-Semitism unless the perpetrator state "I hereby say or do the following with the intention to be anti-Semitic." They need to say this beforehand. If they say it afterward, but not before, it's not anti-Semitism.

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #1366 on: September 04, 2022, 08:43:35 AM »
according to some poskim, it's not anti-Semitism unless the perpetrator state "I hereby say or do the following with the intention to be anti-Semitic." They need to say this beforehand. If they say it afterward, but not before, it's not anti-Semitism.

Or in non halachic terms, it's only antisemitism if it is done in the Charlottesville region of the United States. Anywhere else and it's just sparkling anti-colonialism.

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #1367 on: September 04, 2022, 09:15:08 AM »
Or in non halachic terms, it's only antisemitism if it is done in the Charlottesville region of the United States. Anywhere else and it's just sparkling anti-colonialism.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #1368 on: September 04, 2022, 09:33:45 AM »

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #1369 on: September 04, 2022, 10:02:31 AM »

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #1370 on: September 04, 2022, 10:05:46 AM »
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I watch the news all the time and they call out antisemitism. Your attitude is just as dangerous as those who say there is no antisemitism. 
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #1371 on: September 04, 2022, 10:17:33 AM »
Your attitude is just as dangerous as those who say there is no antisemitism.
This is definitely not true at all.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #1372 on: September 04, 2022, 10:19:29 AM »
This is definitely not true at all.
Would you say both attitudes are wrong?
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #1373 on: September 04, 2022, 10:29:52 AM »
I watch the news all the time and they call out antisemitism. Your attitude is just as dangerous as those who say there is no antisemitism.
I don't watch the news. Do they call out left wing anti semitism as much as they do right wing?
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #1374 on: September 04, 2022, 10:32:28 AM »
I watch the news all the time and they call out antisemitism. Your attitude is just as dangerous as those who say there is no antisemitism.

LOL, my post is a common meme. It's a joke. Based on truth, but a joke nonetheless. And even if I was being literal, that still wouldn't be *as dangerous* as antisemitism.

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #1375 on: September 04, 2022, 10:34:01 AM »
I watch the news all the time and they call out antisemitism.
Your views are influenced by what you read on this forum, but try answer just from what you see in the news:

Which demographic poses the greatest threat to a visible Jew in the United States

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #1376 on: September 04, 2022, 10:36:55 AM »




Which demographic poses the greatest threat to a visible Jew in the United States
I would imagine that changes by location
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #1377 on: September 04, 2022, 10:45:58 AM »
I would imagine that changes by location

Also how you define threat.

Intermarriage, finanical, physical violence, hate speech, murder, etc.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #1378 on: September 04, 2022, 10:47:36 AM »
I don't watch the news. Do they call out left wing anti semitism as much as they do right wing?
When I see a report about a synagogue defaced in Chicago they don't have a left/right wing label on it.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #1379 on: September 04, 2022, 10:50:56 AM »
Your views are influenced by what you read on this forum, but try answer just from what you see in the news:
Which demographic poses the greatest threat to a visible Jew in the United States
I would imagine that changes by location
My views are influenced by this forum? I guess growing up right next to the home of the white nationalist party would not influence those views?
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