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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #1400 on: September 04, 2022, 01:12:18 PM »
When a Jewish woman intermarries, there are less chances (50%?) the children will identify as Jews. Hence within a few short generations (2-3), there are no more witnesses to their Jewish status. So they lose their halachic status as Jews. Only when Moshiach comes, perhaps their status will be revealed. There may very well be millions of such people roaming the earth now. We have no idea, and they don't make up our current Jewish nation today.
So is that a threat to Jews or just Judaism, if their halachically not counted anymore?

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #1401 on: September 04, 2022, 01:12:59 PM »
It does if there is a causality of intermarriage and less girls being born.
Not following. You think less girls will be born due to intermarriage?
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #1402 on: September 04, 2022, 01:14:38 PM »
So is that a threat to Jews or just Judaism, if their halachically not counted anymore?
Just Judaism as the religion is defining who a Jew is.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #1403 on: September 04, 2022, 01:15:22 PM »
Not following. You think less girls will be born due to intermarriage?
Not I think. It's a fact.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #1404 on: September 04, 2022, 01:16:22 PM »
Just Judaism as the religion is defining who a Jew is.
One and the same.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #1405 on: September 04, 2022, 01:18:18 PM »
If you take Judaism out of the equation, then anyone who wishes to identify as a Jew, should count as well.

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #1406 on: September 04, 2022, 01:19:40 PM »
Not I think. It's a fact.
You mean because intermarriage couples will have less children overall so there will be less girls but percentage wise there will be no difference?
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #1407 on: September 04, 2022, 01:25:32 PM »
You mean because intermarriage couples will have less children overall so there will be less girls but percentage wise there will be no difference?
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #1408 on: September 04, 2022, 01:32:33 PM »
One and the same.
Would non-religious Jews agree with this? Do they cease becoming a Jew if one converts to another religion?
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #1409 on: September 04, 2022, 01:56:41 PM »
Would non-religious Jews agree with this? Do they cease becoming a Jew if one converts to another religion?
I can't speak for them, but if they do it's not based on Torah which is what defines them as a jew in the first place.

Conversion does not make them a non jew. Still a Jew.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #1410 on: September 04, 2022, 10:25:56 PM »
Not following. You think less girls will be born due to intermarriage?
what i think is confusing you is that if the m/f ratio is 50/50 then it should never decrease, you lose the men when he marries a non-jew but the children of the woman who marries a non-jew stay Jewish, so it should cancel out. This is mostly correct. The problem is people don't have exactly equal amounts of boys and girls. Because the only valid lineage is consecutive females every woman that has no daughters becomes a dead end, it does not help if her sons have daughters.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #1411 on: September 04, 2022, 10:36:03 PM »
what i think is confusing you is that if the m/f ratio is 50/50 then it should never decrease, you lose the men when he marries a non-jew but the children of the woman who marries a non-jew stay Jewish, so it should cancel out. This is mostly correct. The problem is people don't have exactly equal amounts of boys and girls. Because the only valid lineage is consecutive females every woman that has no daughters becomes a dead end, it does not help if her sons have daughters.
If the amount decreases 2 girls to 3 boys it will decrease 2-3 if male parent is a Jew or non-Jew. The male father in equation does not matter.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #1412 on: September 04, 2022, 11:21:15 PM »
If the amount decreases 2 girls to 3 boys it will decrease 2-3 if male parent is a Jew or non-Jew. The male father in equation does not matter.
I stand corrected

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #1413 on: September 04, 2022, 11:32:22 PM »


Hence within a few short generations (2-3), there are no more witnesses to their Jewish status. So they lose their halachic status as Jews. Only when Moshiach comes, perhaps their status will be revealed. There may very well be millions of such people roaming the earth now. We have no idea, and they don't make up our current Jewish nation today.


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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #1417 on: September 12, 2022, 07:56:06 PM »
Can one be killed by a BB gun?

Average of 4 people in the US die each year, mostly children younger than 15.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #1418 on: September 12, 2022, 07:57:24 PM »
Average of 4 people in the US die each year, mostly children younger than 15.
So we can call this an exaggeration.

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
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