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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #1500 on: January 10, 2023, 11:22:11 AM »
Forget about right or wrong or indicative of racist sentiment. Is it illegal?

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #1501 on: January 10, 2023, 11:24:21 AM »
Forget about right or wrong or indicative of racist sentiment. Is it illegal?
Most likely not.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #1502 on: January 10, 2023, 11:27:00 AM »
Forget about right or wrong or indicative of racist sentiment. Is it illegal?

IANAL, but FWIU, no. You are allowed to say racist things to someone. You cannot harm them or even threaten to harm them in any way. But a mere racist statement is not illegal. If you say something criminal, like threatening to hurt the person, and also say something racist, now that crime turned into a hate crime.

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #1503 on: January 10, 2023, 11:28:01 AM »
Even if I grant you that Israel is oppressing Palestinians, how is a random Jew in Miami responsible for that? That's the whole point, blaming random Jews for the actions of a country thousands of miles away just by virtue of them having the same religion *is racist*.
I am not disagreeing it is wrong to equate the two but isn't that the reality that most do equate the two?
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #1504 on: January 10, 2023, 11:29:53 AM »
I am not disagreeing it is wrong to equate the two but isn't that the reality that most do equate the two?
Are you asking if most people are anti semites?

Do most people equate Muslims with al queida?

Do most people equate Hispanics with "undocumented immigrants?"
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #1505 on: January 10, 2023, 11:30:30 AM »
To a random person in Miami with the only reason being they are Jewish? Yes. ETA: like saying to a random Latino looking person "Go back to Mexico," etc.

I am not disagreeing it is wrong to equate the two but isn't that the reality that most do equate the two?

What if the example would have been saying to a Chinese individual "Free Uyghurs" instead?

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #1506 on: January 10, 2023, 11:35:16 AM »
I am not disagreeing it is wrong to equate the two but isn't that the reality that most do equate the two?
Exactly the point. "It's Open Season on Jews".

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #1507 on: January 10, 2023, 11:36:39 AM »
What if the example would have been saying to a Chinese individual "Free Uyghurs" instead?
Most would have a blank look on their face.  :)
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #1508 on: January 10, 2023, 11:41:53 AM »
Do most people equate Muslims with al queida?
Say what?
If should be do most people equate Muslims with Islam and the answer is yes.
Or do most people equate Muslims with Arab countries and the answer is yes.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #1509 on: January 10, 2023, 11:51:23 AM »
Most would have a blank look on their face.  :)

Sad social commentary.  :'(



I think you get the point.


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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #1510 on: January 10, 2023, 11:54:28 AM »
I am not disagreeing it is wrong to equate the two but isn't that the reality that most do equate the two?
THAT'S THE POINT! Antisemitism has become mainstreamed to the point where it has to be explained how it is problematic to scream at random Jews minding their own business in Miami!

No one would think its ok for me to scream at a Muslim on the NYC Subway something about Muslims being terrorists. Everyone understands it is wrong to accost Asians because of the sins of the Chinese government, but Jews get accosted EVERY SINGLE DAY on the Subway, on the street, on college campuses, etc. etc. etc.

If someone calls me a Kike on the street, the media would report on the story. If someone says "Free Palestine* they are commended.

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #1511 on: January 10, 2023, 12:04:38 PM »
but isn't that the reality that most do equate the two?
No, only antisemites do.

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #1512 on: January 10, 2023, 12:14:35 PM »
No, only antisemites do.
We disagree and that is the main issue.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #1513 on: January 10, 2023, 12:16:07 PM »
If someone calls me a Kike on the street, the media would report on the story. If someone says "Free Palestine* they are commended.
You see no difference? Kike vs Free Palestine?
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #1514 on: January 10, 2023, 12:23:18 PM »
Say what?
If should be do most people equate Muslims with Islam and the answer is yes.
Or do most people equate Muslims with Arab countries and the answer is yes.
If I would have written ISIS would you have understood?
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #1515 on: January 10, 2023, 12:26:33 PM »
You see no difference? Kike vs Free Palestine?

There isn't. They both are accosting me by virtue of the fact that I am Jewish. Both those sentiments have led to, and continue to lead to, Jews getting beaten up and/or killed. The Palestine issue is a way to make it *seem* like it's a valid human rights cause, but it is just plain old anti semitism. The same people who scream Free Palestine at us today used to curse us out with other words before that phrase became so ubiquitous.

I've been spat on and cursed at by Muslims in South Africa. If that happened today, it would be together with a "Free Palestine" or something similar.

Accosting Jews in the street is antisemitism, and there is no difference if a Muslim is doing it while screaming free Palestine, a White Supremacist is doing it while screaming Kike, or if a black American is doing it screaming about landlords or fake Jews.

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #1516 on: January 10, 2023, 12:27:31 PM »
If I would have written ISIS would you have understood?
You are equating Muslims with terrorist and not a country.
The discussion we are having is equating Jews with Israel.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #1517 on: January 10, 2023, 12:28:55 PM »
There isn't. They both are accosting me by virtue of the fact that I am Jewish. Both those sentiments have led to, and continue to lead to, Jews getting beaten up and/or killed. The Palestine issue is a way to make it *seem* like it's a valid human rights cause, but it is just plain old anti semitism. The same people who scream Free Palestine at us today used to curse us out with other words before that phrase became so ubiquitous.
We just disagree.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #1518 on: January 10, 2023, 12:34:12 PM »
We just disagree.

This is not a matter up for disagreement. Explain in simple terms how equating a random Jew in Miami with Israel is not as racist as equating a Muslim with Al Queda, Isis, the Turkish, Iranian, Syrian, Egyptian, Indonesian, Qatari, and on and on government.

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #1519 on: January 10, 2023, 12:35:49 PM »
You are equating Muslims with terrorist and not a country.
The discussion we are having is equating Jews with Israel.
Why does that make a difference?
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