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 My view on a statement like Rav Miller's is that whatever happens we are supposed to take a lesson out of it. When a tragedy happens and we say it may have been because of this that or the other thing it is simply to take a lesson from it for personal improvement. It is not to lay fault.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #1520 on: January 10, 2023, 12:36:50 PM »
Explain in simple terms how equating a random Jew in Miami with Israel is not as racist as equating a Muslim with Al Queda, Isis, the Turkish, Iranian, Syrian, Egyptian, Indonesian, Qatari, and on and on government.
Because Jews are held to a different standard. That’s why I’m responsible for something that might or might not have happened to someone on the other side of the world.

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #1522 on: January 10, 2023, 12:40:31 PM »
Are 2 issues being discussed here?
1)2)
2 is a Heiche Timtze for 1. 2 is a variable that gets changed every few years.

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #1523 on: January 10, 2023, 12:40:47 PM »
This is not a matter up for disagreement. Explain in simple terms how equating a random Jew in Miami with Israel is not as racist as equating a Muslim with Al Queda, Isis, the Turkish, Iranian, Syrian, Egyptian, Indonesian, Qatari, and on and on government.
If you don't understand that equating a Jew with Israel (a democratic nation) is not the same as equating a Muslim with Al Queda (a terrorist organization) then nothing I can ever say will change that.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #1524 on: January 10, 2023, 12:41:28 PM »
2 is a Heiche Timtze for 1.

I understand, but is CV disagreeing with both? Or just the Palestine issue?

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #1525 on: January 10, 2023, 12:41:47 PM »
Why does that make a difference?
Wow, we are on different planets!
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #1526 on: January 10, 2023, 12:43:06 PM »
If you don't understand that equating a Jew with Israel (a democratic nation) is not the same as equating a Muslim with Al Queda (a terrorist organization) then nothing I can ever say will change that.
The people yelling at Jews about Palestine don’t consider Israel a democratic nation.

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #1527 on: January 10, 2023, 12:43:27 PM »
Wow, we are on different planets!
Are you able to give a rational explanation?
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #1528 on: January 10, 2023, 12:43:49 PM »
2 is a Heiche Timtze for 1.
Don't know what that means but have a pretty good guess.  :)
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #1529 on: January 10, 2023, 12:49:54 PM »
Are you able to give a rational explanation?
More than the many times I did already?
Equating Jews with Israel is not in the same stratosphere as equating Muslims with Al Queda.
Israel - Democratic nation
Al Queda - Terror organization

Let's see if this will help you. You see any difference?
I support Israel.
I support Al Queda.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #1530 on: January 10, 2023, 12:52:12 PM »

Israel - Democratic nation
The people yelling at Jews about Palestine don’t consider Israel a democratic nation.

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #1531 on: January 10, 2023, 12:54:05 PM »

I can't help what they believe.
That doesn't change the fact that Israel is a democratic nation.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #1532 on: January 10, 2023, 12:55:46 PM »
I can't help what they believe.
That doesn't change the fact that Israel is a democratic nation.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #1533 on: January 10, 2023, 12:56:14 PM »
If you don't understand that equating a Jew with Israel (a democratic nation) is not the same as equating a Muslim with Al Queda (a terrorist organization) then nothing I can ever say will change that.

1) Al Queda governs a country. I gave you a list of countries and can add a dozen more Muslim countries that are not governed by terrorists.
2) The issue is not the democracy of Israel or the terrorism of Al Queda, it is with connecting a random Jew or Muslim to them.
3) I might be able to understand if you explain it. Please go ahead and explain the difference. then, if I don't understand you can go ahead and say:

If you don't understand that equating a Jew with Israel (a democratic nation) is not the same as equating a Muslim with Al Queda (a terrorist organization) then nothing I can ever say will change that.

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #1534 on: January 10, 2023, 12:57:11 PM »
I can't help what they believe.
Then stop trying to defend their actions.

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #1535 on: January 10, 2023, 12:57:17 PM »
More than the many times I did already?
Equating Jews with Israel is not in the same stratosphere as equating Muslims with Al Queda.
Israel - Democratic nation
Al Queda - Terror organization

Let's see if this will help you. You see any difference?
I support Israel.
I support Al Queda.

All you did here was repeat the same thing. Why does this make any difference about whether a person should be blamed due to their ethnicity? Do you feel that any ethnicity can be blamed for the actions of a country with a majority of the same ethnicity?
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #1536 on: January 10, 2023, 12:59:06 PM »
Don't know what that means but have a pretty good guess.  :)

Do you think yelling "Free Uyghurs" at your local Chinese is excusable?

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #1537 on: January 10, 2023, 01:12:52 PM »
Then stop trying to defend their actions.
Defending who's actions.
All you did here was repeat the same thing. Why does this make any difference about whether a person should be blamed due to their ethnicity? Do you feel that any ethnicity can be blamed for the actions of a country with a majority of the same ethnicity?
You gave an example where you equated Jews/Israel with Muslims/terrorist. That was a terrible example that does not work.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #1538 on: January 10, 2023, 01:18:12 PM »
Defending who's actions.You gave an example where you equated Jews/Israel with Muslims/terrorist. That was a terrible example that does not work.

You are simply repeating the same thing without giving any explanation. How about an ethnic Russian for the invasion of Ukraine? There are so many potential examples to give.
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #1539 on: January 10, 2023, 01:18:43 PM »
2) The issue is not the democracy of Israel or the terrorism of Al Queda, it is with connecting a random Jew or Muslim to them.
This is an issue that you refuse to see.
Connecting a random person with terrorism is not the same as connecting a random person with a democracy.

Do you see a difference here? I will connect people.
Most Jews support Israel.
Most Muslims support terrorist.
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