Its Open Season on Jews

[CountValentine]

You are simply repeating the same thing without giving any explanation. How about an ethnic Russian for the invasion of Ukraine? There are so many potential examples to give.

The example you gave was just wrong. If you feel an example I gave was wrong, then point it out.
Instead of using Muslims/Al Queda you should have used Muslims/Islam or Muslims/any Arab nation.

You don't see me using Jews/terrorist.

[aygart]

The example you gave was just wrong. If you feel an example I gave was wrong, then point it out.
Instead of using Muslims/Al Queda you should have used Muslims/Islam or Muslims/any Arab nation.

You don't see me using Jews/terrorist.

Yet you still have not explained at all why that makes a difference.

How about an ethnic Russian for the invasion of Ukraine?

[CountValentine]

Is saying "free Palestini" antisemitic?

Here is what started all of this.
You can believe Palestine people are oppressed (free Palestine) and not automatically be an antisemite.
We just disagree.

[yelped]

Here is what started all of this.
You can believe Palestine people are oppressed (free Palestine) and not automatically be an antisemite.
We just disagree.

Oppressed by Israel? Or by Palestinian "leaders"?

If it's the former, you are either an anti-Semite or duped by an anti-Semite.

[aygart]

Here is what started all of this.
You can believe Palestine people are oppressed (free Palestine) and not automatically be an antisemite.
We just disagree.

But what does that all have to do with the random guy on the street wearing a yarmulka? He can even be neturei karta!

Even if I grant you that Israel is oppressing Palestinians, how is a random Jew in Miami responsible for that? That's the whole point, blaming random Jews for the actions of a country thousands of miles away just by virtue of them having the same religion *is racist*.

If a black person went over to a white person in Miami in the '80s and screamed, "Free Mandela", that would be racist.
If a Jewish person goes over to a Muslim-looking person in San Diego and tells him to stop bombing buses in Jerusalem, that's racist.
If a white person goes over to a random black guy in Israel and tells him to stop the gang killings in Chicago, that's racist.

[CountValentine]

Chaim has been begging for hours to be let out. 

[Yehuda57]

This is an issue that you refuse to see.
Connecting a random person with terrorism is not the same as connecting a random person with a democracy.

Do you see a difference here? I will connect people.
Most Jews support Israel.
Most Muslims support terrorist.

Firstly, you picked one out of the three points. I would appreciate you answering the questions in clear, simple terms.

But first, I'll step back and address this.

We can agree that a guy screaming Free Palestine in the United States does not think very much of Israel. At a minimum, they believe Israel is oppressing Palestinians, and in all likelihood, they believe Israel is a terrible, evil state, just as bad (or worse) than any other evil government, like Russia, China, or any one you pick.

Now, that person goes over to a random Jew in Miami and without knowing if this person is Israeli, has any connection to Israel, agrees with Israeli policy (foreign or domestic), has thoughts on Palestinians, etc. etc. The only thing this person knows is this random person is Jewish, and that means they are an evil Palestine oppressor.

It makes absolutely no difference to the FP screamer that you or anyone else believes Israel is a democracy. It makes no difference if equating Jews to Israel would usually be a positive thing. All that matters is that a random Jew was blamed for the actions of a foreign government just because they are Jewish. That is EXACTLY the same as a Jew deciding a Muslim is equated to ISIS, Al Queda, Qatar, Syria, Iran, Morroco, Algeria, Egypt, Lebanon, Rashida Talib, Barak Obama, or anything. Whether Barak Obama is Muslim or not makes no difference to this scenario, the point is the perpetrator is making Islamaphobic assumptions.

That's why Kike and Free Palestine are the same. The intent and goal of the person accosting me is the same. The guy screaming Free Palestine flipping me the bird is not trying to get into a discussion about the geopolitical realities of the Middle East, he is attacking me because I am Jewish.

[Yehuda57]

Here is what started all of this.
You can believe Palestine people are oppressed (free Palestine) and not automatically be an antisemite.
We just disagree.

NOOOOOOOOOOOO!

The question was if saying Free Palestine to a random Jew in Miami is antisemitic.

[aygart]

Chaim has been begging for hours to be let out. 

It seems like you feel the Japanese internment camps were good and supported Trump calling it the China Virus.

[CountValentine]

NOOOOOOOOOOOO!

The question was if saying Free Palestine to a random Jew in Miami is antisemitic.

This is the problem with most of the discussions. Everyone has their own idea what the question means. I was originally going to ask it in the random question thread, but I doubt if it would have changed anything.

[Yehuda57]

This is the problem with most of the discussions. Everyone has their own idea what the question means. I was originally going to ask it in the random question thread, but I doubt if it would have changed anything.

You can't be serious. We are talking about a specific story, you literally are quoting the guy who was screamed at in the post, and now you want to say you were asking about the phrase "Free Palestine" without that context? You've got to be kidding me.

[CountValentine]

You can't be serious. We are talking about a specific story, you literally are quoting the guy who was screamed at in the post, and now you want to say you were asking about the phrase "Free Palestine" without that context? You've got to be kidding me.

I have asked the question before. This is not something new.
Do you actually believe I was saying in the context of the story it wasn't meant as antisemitic? I even posted the second part.

[Lurker]

CV, here's a summary. Saying, "Free Palestine" is not antisemitic. Saying it to a random Jew because he's Jewish is antisemitic.

We done here?

[Yehuda57]

I have asked the question before. This is not something new.
Do you actually believe I was saying in the context of the story it wasn't meant as antisemitic? I even posted the second part.

Of course I thought you were asking the question in context of the story. That's how conversations usually go.

Is a pro Palestine statement like Free Palestine inherently antisemitic? No.

[CountValentine]

Of course I thought you were asking the question in context of the story. That's how conversations usually go.

My mistake.

Is a pro Palestine statement like Free Palestine inherently antisemitic? No.

We done here?

[jj1000]

Just to add, there is a group called the free Palestine movement and they don't believe in Israel's right to exist.

So oppressing Palestinians definition starting point would be the existence of Israel.

I don't think anyone would argue that this is not antisemitic.

[CountValentine]

Just to add, there is a group called the free Palestine movement and they don't believe in Israel's right to exist.

Don't think I will be able to check off a stress-free day today. 
States come and go, borders change, name changes among other things. What does "right to exist" mean?

[Yehuda57]

Don't think I will be able to check off a stress-free day today. 
States come and go, borders change, name changes among other things. What does "right to exist" mean?

Putting aside what "the right to exist" should mean, which is a pretty complicated discussion, what it means now is that Jews have the right to step foot on the ground there. The current situation is that areas controlled by Palestinians, whether Hamas or the PA, have warning signs outside that Israelis who enter will get harmed. And that does happen, if a Jew enters a Palestinian territory by mistake, they get lynched. Many have died that way, many have been seriously injured. Palestinians want those territories to expand to include ALL of Israel (from the river to the sea), and no Jews whatsoever should be allowed to step foot there - even under Palestinian rule.

This is not an extremist view, this is the standard Palestinian political viewpoint espoused since before 1967. It is why Arafat refused every peace deal that was offered to him, and it was what their leaders say in their literature, charter, and hundreds of televised speeches.

[CountValentine]

Just looking for a definition for "right to exist" so we are not talking about two different things.

[AsherO]

This thread is totally giving me deja vu from the “(false) accusation of Kehot forgery” thread.