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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #380 on: January 02, 2020, 02:01:15 PM »
Jersey City population- 270k+
Black population- 68k+
Hasidic population- between 60 & 80 families. Bad terrible Jews for kicking everyone out.

What's the Hispanic/Latino population of JC? How come they don't seem to have the reasons to attack the Jews?
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #381 on: January 02, 2020, 02:04:31 PM »
Why don’t you ask your black friends ? You’re thinking deeper into this than even the antisemites themselves are.
They would have no opinion one way or the other.
How do you solve a problem without knowing the root of the problem?
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #382 on: January 02, 2020, 02:05:02 PM »
To be fair, there is a class warfare element involved as well, but I don't believe we'd be having all these random attacks on Jews without Antisemitism. (Are there random attacks on hipsters that we're just not hearing about?)
Its only against Jews. Otherwise known as ANTISEMITISM

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #383 on: January 02, 2020, 02:06:04 PM »
https://www.facebook.com/boruchw/posts/10163217604945352
Well said. Needs more exposure than this.
Touchy subject.
I was egged in crown heights in 2004/2005 when in ULY.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #384 on: January 02, 2020, 02:06:54 PM »
What is motivating the hate toward Jews?
How do you solve a problem without knowing the root of the problem?
so basically you're saying the root of the problem is that the Jews are doing something wrong to deserve it.

Yeah, sounds legit.

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #385 on: January 02, 2020, 02:07:02 PM »
They would have no opinion one way or the other.
How do you solve a problem without knowing the root of the problem?
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #386 on: January 02, 2020, 02:07:17 PM »
I think this aspect is more geographic than anything else. Outside of NYC I don't think this would apply.
So why is that? I've never had any problems with black people anywhere else.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #387 on: January 02, 2020, 02:08:16 PM »
Touchy subject.
I was egged in crown heights in 2004/2005 when in ULY.
Was that on Haloween, or some other time?
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #388 on: January 02, 2020, 02:09:16 PM »
So why is that? I've never had any problems with black people anywhere else.
so basically you're saying the root of the problem is that the Jews are doing something wrong to deserve it.

Yeah, sounds legit.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #389 on: January 02, 2020, 02:10:13 PM »
Was that on Haloween, or some other time?
Other time.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #390 on: January 02, 2020, 02:11:51 PM »
so basically you're saying the root of the problem is that the Jews are doing something wrong to deserve it.

Yeah, sounds legit.
Ease up a bit. What he's saying is, if I'm understanding correctly, is to understand the root of the problem, which is what they THINK we are doing wrong. The hate can come from their perception, or reality, or both. If jews were nasty people, their perception of us being nasty would be correct, as well as it being a reality. If we aren't, it's merely their warped/biased/ignorant/agenda'd perception of us, which would be a good place to start proving them wrong.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #391 on: January 02, 2020, 02:12:52 PM »
So why is that? I've never had any problems with black people anywhere else.

From Wikipedia (FWIW):

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According to the 2010 Census, 35.7% of the population was non-Hispanic White, 31.9% non-Hispanic Black or African American, 10.4% non-Hispanic Asian, 0.4% from some other race (non-Hispanic) and 1.6% of two or more races (non-Hispanic). 19.8% of Brooklyn's population was of Hispanic, Latino, or Spanish origin (they may be of any race).

And due to scarcity of housing, and the absolute need by Shomer Shabbos yidden to cluster in certain areas, there's just that potential for friction. Now pour some genuine antisemitism, class envy, etc onto that friction, and it bursts into outright antisemetic violence or at the very least antisemetic feelings.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #392 on: January 02, 2020, 02:14:10 PM »

Maybe it's the fact that blacks aren't such a minority in Brooklyn (are they a majority?).
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #393 on: January 02, 2020, 02:14:52 PM »
So why is that? I've never had any problems with black people anywhere else.
I have.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #394 on: January 02, 2020, 02:15:16 PM »
so basically you're saying the root of the problem is that the Jews are doing something wrong to deserve it.

Yeah, sounds legit.
The root of the problem is with those that are committing these attacks not the victims.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #395 on: January 02, 2020, 02:16:08 PM »
From Wikipedia (FWIW):

And due to scarcity of housing, and the absolute need by Shomer Shabbos yidden to cluster in certain areas, there's just that potential for friction. Now pour some genuine antisemitism, class envy, etc onto that friction, and it bursts into outright antisemetic violence or at the very least antisemetic feelings.
CLE's east side is nearly all black or Jewish, and I haven't heard of any race issues or attacks on the 100,000 Jews clustered here.
But people are much friendlier to each other in CLE than in NYC.
 
Are we really saying the difference is housing scarcity?
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #396 on: January 02, 2020, 02:16:37 PM »
Ease up a bit. What he's saying is, if I'm understanding correctly, is to understand the root of the problem, which is what they THINK we are doing wrong. The hate can come from their perception, or reality, or both. If jews were nasty people, their perception of us being nasty would be correct, as well as it being a reality. If we aren't, it's merely their warped/biased/ignorant/agenda'd perception of us, which would be a good place to start proving them wrong.
THen they will find other excuses. I have experienced this in areas where there were none of the mentioned issues at all.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #397 on: January 02, 2020, 02:17:18 PM »
So why is that? I've never had any problems with black people anywhere else.
I have in places besides ny. Let's start with downtown Cleveland

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #398 on: January 02, 2020, 02:17:29 PM »
which would be a good place to start proving them wrong.
Group of thugs surround you ready to pummel you. Play it out for us how you would prove them wrong.

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #399 on: January 02, 2020, 02:18:18 PM »
I have in places besides ny. Let's start with downtown Cleveland
Never had any problems, though I only go downtown for sports games.
Have you?
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