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 My view on a statement like Rav Miller's is that whatever happens we are supposed to take a lesson out of it. When a tragedy happens and we say it may have been because of this that or the other thing it is simply to take a lesson from it for personal improvement. It is not to lay fault.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #600 on: January 08, 2020, 01:30:13 AM »
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #601 on: January 08, 2020, 01:44:37 AM »
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Would those thugs not have done the same in order to steal the same kind of phone from any other individual, not visibly Jewish, and not apparently menacing to them?
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #602 on: January 08, 2020, 07:58:31 AM »
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Nothing to do with fear. Jealousy? Yes! Feeling of inequality? Yes! But fear? Where do you see that.

Now a sense of inequality can be channeled in various ways. It is those that portray the "haves" as evil and taking away from the "have nots", rather than showing everyone the opportunity to be a "have" or at least the best they can be, are the petri dishes that cause the sense of inequality to mushrooms into full fledged hate and violence.
You are making it sound like if Jews would be poor there would be no anti-semitism. Historically that has never been the case.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #603 on: January 08, 2020, 08:15:27 AM »
You are making it sound like if Jews would be poor there would be no anti-semitism. Historically that has never been the case.

Not al all. I am only pointing out that I don’t believe it has anything to do with fear. It starts and ends with baseless hatred. In between come the excuses. “Have” and “Have not” doesn’t have to refer to financial status. It can be any difference or perceived inequality, be it wealth, health, education, happiness, or any other perceived difference.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #604 on: January 08, 2020, 08:23:52 AM »
Not al all. I am only pointing out that I don’t believe it has anything to do with fear. It starts and ends with baseless hatred. In between come the excuses. “Have” and “Have not” doesn’t have to refer to financial status. It can be any difference or perceived inequality, be it wealth, health, education, happiness, or any other perceived difference.
Do they feel the same inequality from WASPs? There is no reason they shouldn't.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #605 on: January 08, 2020, 02:37:13 PM »
Disagree. Morality education in the school system, starting with a moment of silence.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #606 on: January 08, 2020, 02:39:45 PM »
Do they feel the same inequality from WASPs? There is no reason they shouldn't.
Already discussed. They don't live in close proximity with wasps, but they do live near orthodox Jews

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #607 on: January 08, 2020, 02:39:56 PM »
Do they feel the same inequality from WASPs? There is no reason they shouldn't.

They very well might, but as I pointed out, this is only the filling. The start and end is Antisemitism.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #608 on: January 08, 2020, 02:40:29 PM »
Already discussed. They don't live in close proximity with wasps, but they do live near orthodox Jews
There are plenty of places where they do.

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #609 on: January 08, 2020, 02:55:37 PM »
Disagree. Morality education in the school system, starting with a moment of silence.

where is yehuda57's post on black anti-semitism from several years ago on this forum?

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #610 on: January 08, 2020, 02:56:57 PM »
where is yehuda57's post on black anti-semitism from several years ago on this forum?
Didn't you ask that already?  ;)
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #612 on: January 08, 2020, 03:30:42 PM »
I'm looking forward to reading this article

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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #613 on: January 08, 2020, 04:10:15 PM »
where is yehuda57's post on black anti-semitism from several years ago on this forum?
Worth the repost!

Most of us on this forum are visibly Jewish. If we don't have beards and hats, we have kippas and tzitzis, etc. I would be surprised if the number of people here who have had an anti-Semitic experience is less than 100%. The stats show that Jews are on the receiving end of more hate crimes than any other group.

I've gotten middle fingers in Johannesburg, been spat on in Durban, and often walk over a swastika etched into the sidewalk near my in law's home in one of the Mid-Western United States. When I was in Yeshiva in Paris for a year, friends of mine where beaten up (This was almost 15 years ago - now it is MUCH worse).

I was spat on in an airport when I was 13. At least a dozen people saw it. The spitter was more than double my age. No one did or said a thing.
Those fist fights in Paris? Some were on full trains. Again, no one did or said a thing.

I have never reported a hate crime. No one I know ever has - and I know people who have experienced far more violent things then I have.

I live in Brooklyn, a truly liberal and hip city (Hilary Clinton's headquarters). Swastikas and anti-Semitic graffiti are common occurrences - in alley ways, on subway platforms, and more.  When a group of thugs threw rocks at a school bus filled with little Jewish kids it didn't even make local news. A Chassidic guy was left unconscious under a car one night after a spate of anti-Semitic events - it only made the news when a few hundred of us marched to the precinct the next day.

You know what made news? When a swastika was painted the day after Trump won.

Weird, huh?

That Muslims and Neo-Nazis beat us is to be expected. But, in a sense, you know what is worse? Leftist, liberal self-righteous hypocrites who find it ok to mock, ridicule and antagonize "Ultra-Orthodox Right Wing Fundamentalist" Jews - while throwing fits of rage at every perceived micro-aggression against any other minority or race.

For example:

Gentrification is a big deal. Neither I nor any of my friends can afford to buy a home in our neighborhood. Renting an apt is nigh impossible. But whenever you read or hear about gentrification in Crown Heights, you will find out about Chassidic Landlords (Slumlords) who are mistreating and pushing out the Black community.  Of course lower and middle class blacks are being pushed out. So are the Jews! But it is ok for the media to paint the Chassidic community with the broad anti-Semitic brush of being hook nosed landlords cheating the poor blacks out of their money and homes. In actuality, it is market forces being driven by young artisanal, hipster farm-to-table vegans which are responsible.

This anti-Semitic attitude directly contributes to the violent antisemitism I sampled above, just as Al Sharpton’s “diamond merchant” rhetoric led to riots and murder.

This is just one tiny example that I deal with in NYC, one of the largest concentrations of visible Jews on the planet, in the shining pride of Western civilization. In other places, it is far, far worse. (Look at Jeremy Corbyn in the UK for a start, and we can go from there.)

So that's why we don't care about hate crime stats. We know firsthand that they don't even begin to tell the story. That's why we are so skeptical of leftists and the media speaking of hate crimes - we have a long history of them not only ignoring hate crimes committed against us, but agitating and prodding those who do us actual harm.
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #614 on: January 08, 2020, 05:12:43 PM »
https://www.tapinto.net/towns/montclair/articles/nj-association-of-black-educators-chair-criticizes-hasidic-jews-at-montclair-community-forum-drawing-sharp-rebuke

He is also chair of the NAACP Education Committee.
https://nj1015.com/montclair-naacp-suspends-member-for-comments-about-jews-in-lakewood/?

"Excuse me, if facts are facts, it doesn't necessarily make it anti-Semitic," Harris said in the comments live-streamed on Facebook.

So what about if someone makes some "factual" statements about blacks?
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #615 on: January 08, 2020, 05:17:41 PM »
So what about if someone makes some "factual" statements about blacks?
That's racism. You need to get out more.  :P
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #617 on: January 08, 2020, 05:28:49 PM »
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Re: Its Open Season on Jews
« Reply #619 on: January 08, 2020, 06:01:08 PM »
https://nj1015.com/montclair-naacp-suspends-member-for-comments-about-jews-in-lakewood/?

"Excuse me, if facts are facts, it doesn't necessarily make it anti-Semitic," Harris said in the comments live-streamed on Facebook.

So what about if someone makes some "factual" statements about blacks?

You don't need to go that far. How about if instead of:

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Harris stated that he was not speaking as a representative of the NAACP, where he serves as Chair of the Education Committee, but as Chair of the New Jersey Association of Black Educators.

It would read:
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Harris stated that he was not speaking as a representative of the NAACP, where he serves as Chair of the Education Committee, but as Chair of the New Jersey Association of White Educators.

'nuff said.
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